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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ever since this song was made, at least as long as I can remember, (I think I was 8 years old when it charted), there has been a glitch in the recording that I've always wondered about.
Roundabout 02:52 and after we all get "Mellow" the second time, I've always thought someone had turned off Archie's mic and realized afterwards he was still singing. I've often wondered why that was left in the recording. Was it because the song was a blistering hot dance tune that needed to hit the plates immediately, or something else? I was just listening to this again tonight with the phones on. In the seconds leading up to the mic incident, I thought I heard some background member or possibly engineer talk very lightly present. Actually, the whole recording has been a bit of a mystery to me, once I started hearing it on CD. The sound of the instruments and the vocals seem to be mixed oddly. Making Archie sound as if he's singing about 20 feet away from everything else that's going on with the recording. Back when I used to hear it on the radio I don't think I noticed the recording characteristics except the mic thingy. I've always liked the song and, thought it was kind of interesting that he would go to all the trouble to announce that they are a band from Houston Texas early in the song, just to say it. I read later that it may be because he had once heard someone say that "Nothing good ever comes out of Houston." It would be interesting to ask what that's all about sometime. |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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To me, it definitely sounds like Archie re-did his
entire lead vocal up to the point in question after the instrumental tracks were laid down. If you listen in the stereo mix, you can hear his original lead vocal leaking through until it gets to that spot. After that, I assume they just stick with his original lead vocal (recorded live with the musicians) from that point and all the way through the fadeout. The mono single mix of "Tighten' Up" (on Rhino's "Tightening It Up: The Best of Archie Bell and The Drells") has a way better overall balance of instruments and vocals but it does not include the bass intro. Instead it just comes in right on the drum fill. It also fades sooner. |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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If Wikipedia can be believed.."They signed with the Houston-based record label Ovide in 1967 and recorded a number of songs including "She's My Woman" and "Tighten Up", which was recorded in October 1967 at the first of several sessions in which the Drells were backed by the instrumental group the T.S.U. Toronadoes." According to Discogs..they only had three Ovide singles issued. Probably not enough for an album..and all probably just mixed to mono. After Archie Bell went into the Army the song became a local Houston hit and was picked up by a major for national distribution. The album was only on Atlantic so, while recording additional songs to fill, they may have resung parts of "Tighten Up" for stereo which would account for some of the differences between the original hit mono version and the stereo album version. This would have been typical of a 60s rock record where stereo was generally an afterthought. |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The stereo version can be edited to match
the way the 45 is edited, and the vocal on the Atlantic 45 is the same as the stereo mix. I do not have the Ovide 45 to compare to, but keep in mind that Tighten Up was supposed to be a throwaway B side to Dog Eat Dog originally. The Atlantic promo 45 gives that side the Plug Side nod. Maybe the mixing goof was left in because it wasn't intended to be the A side anyway. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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Stereo LP version (3:11)
The bass in the intro should be in the left channel. I found three distinct analog transfers for the stereo version. The first is Atlantic's multi-volume Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 Vol. 6 1966-1969 (1985). It sounds OK here, with great dynamic range, no evidence of noise reduction, and (probably) pretty low-generation source tapes. It has a slightly dull EQ (at least compared to later masterings), but some might argue that that's what the records actually sounded like in 1968. The same analog transfer is used on:
Turns out that the LP version is the full performance of the song. The 45 is edited from that full performance (cut off intro to begin at the drum fill, cut out 24 beats from 1:47 to 1:59 of the LP version (edits on downbeat after words "c'mon and" and right at the beginning of the word "tighten"), and a 16-beat fade from 2:48 to 2:56 of LP version). But the 45 is mixed immeasurably hotter than the LP, with tons of reverb on the vocals, and the keyboard and horns pushed way out in front. Same instruments and vocals, same take, just a hotter mix. The "make it mellow" breaks truly smoke now, instead of meekly lurking in the right channel. In my opinion, now it sounds like a hit! The earliest CD I have with the mono 45 version is Rhino's In Yo' Face Vol. 0.5 (1994). It's a little bit loud, and clips a bit. It has some cracklies on the fade that make me think it might be taken from vinyl; not 100% sure about that. Rhino's multi-CD Beg Scream And Shout (1997) seems to use another analog transfer of the same source tape (45?) that's used on In Yo' Face Vol. 0.5, but it's mastered a little quieter, so there's no clipping. In practical terms, it sounds about the same as In Yo' Face Vol. 0.5, including the cracklies on the fade. There's a digitally identical clone on Rhino's cheapie Atlantic Ultimate '60s Soul Sensations (1998), which is a very afforable alternative to Beg Scream And Shout. My recommendations For the stereo LP version, if you like lots of high end like I do, I recommend Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1968 (1993), just make sure you get the 1993 rerelease (with an RE-1 in the matrix number); the song is not on the 1988 original pressing of the disc. If you want a little less high end, I recommend Warner Special Products' Atlantic Soul Classics (1985). For the mono 45 version, I recommend Rhino's Beg Scream And Shout (1997) if you can find it affordably; it's a superb but pricey set. I only recommend BS&S because there's no clipping on the track. Rhino's In Yo' Face Vol. 0.5 (1993) sounds about as good, but just a bit louder with a bit of clipping. The In Yo' Face series is probably the best collection ever of 45 versions of funk tracks, and I heartily recommend all of them. |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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The vocal on the mono and stereo are the same. I think it was just more a matter of the producer not being completely happy with the vocal take Archie recorded live with the band so they recorded over that vocal with a second take up to the point where you hear it cut out. Judging by the bleed of the original vocal, it sounds like the first take was probably a little looser while the second take was more composed. Most of the filler on the "Tighten Up" album was recorded without Archie since he was stationed in Germany when it had to be recorded. The rest of The Drells (who, as mentioned, did not actually appear on "Tighten Up" itself) had to record and promote the record without his involvement. Archie did get to go on leave back to the States several times to record new material or perform shows with the group. Gamble and Huff became their producers not long afterwards. |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The original release is on You Tube as "Archie Bell &
the Drells "Tighten up" Ovide 45 Soul R&B Funk Groover" but it will take someone smarter than me to compare the two to see if there is any difference. Copies are available in the $50-$200 range. Unfortunately the You Tube poster did not feed the audio directly into his recording device. |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I was just looking at some of the albums on eBay. Now I have to look over some of those record collections I inherited from my siblings. Apparently, the single version is a (Part 1) and the album has (Part 2) on it.
I knew there were a lot of Soul & R&B tracks that used (Part 1) for the 45. But, since this one didn't frequently show up as a (Part 1), I never looked for it on an album. Only the plethora of V/A CDs. Now, I'm wanting to hear part 2! |
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You can also find Part 2 on the b-side of the 45.
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Only on second pressings of the 45. As
previously mentioned, Tighten Up was originally the B side to Dog Eat Dog. Part 2 sounds like it was cut much later. |
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