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    Posted: 08 August 2012 at 9:38am
I just got the PR release that there are two versions of new "Greatest Hits" releases coming out on CD, one with 20 tracks and the other with 50.

Also 12 albums have been remastered, with 100% stereo versions in addition to mono. This means new real stereo for the Beach Boys "Party", "Smiley Smile", "Summer Days (and Summer Nights)", "All Summer Long", "The Beach Boys Today". Press release claims first time stereo for "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations". Hopefully it's real stereo without synched sections.

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Also says stereo for Help Me Rhonda and 409..
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Originally posted by Bill Cahill Bill Cahill wrote:

I just got the PR release that there are two versions of new "Greatest Hits" releases coming out on CD, one with 20 tracks and the other with 50.

Also 12 albums have been remastered, with 100% stereo versions in addition to mono. This means new real stereo for the Beach Boys "Party", "Smiley Smile", "Summer Days (and Summer Nights)", "All Summer Long", "The Beach Boys Today". Press release claims first time stereo for "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations". Hopefully it's real stereo without synched sections.


Does the press release state if the stereo "I Get Around", "Good Vibrations", and "Help Me Rhonda" will be on the 20-track disc set? I suppose I can make room for one more Beach Boys Greatest Hits compilation, but I refuse to splurge for yet another box set just for a couple of rare stereo mixes.

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I have heard the new stereo mixes as the twelve remasters were released two weeks ago in Japan and a good friend of mine purchased them.

The "Good Vibrations" stereo mix/creation is the best of the bunch. Very true to the 45 sound. But yes, Bill, there are synched & extracted sections; but Derry Fitzgerald & Mark Linett did an outstanding job.

"Heroes & Villians" is truer to the 45 than the previous stereo mix from a few years ago.

"Help Me, Rhonda" is not so much synched, but more 'extracted' sounding. Still sounds very good on speakers (fair on headphones).

"Help Me, Ronda" (LP version) is very good stereo however.

"409" sounds stereo on speakers, but careful listening on headphones indicates it's strictly an extraction.

"I Get Around" again sounds like an excellent DES
with 'phones' on, but natural with loudspeakers.

"Dance, Dance, Dance" is a better, truer to the 45 stereo mix than previously issued.

"Do You Wanna Dance" stereo mix is flawed, but still wonderful to hear in stereo.

Classic Carl-led LP cut "Girl Don't Tell Me" is beautiful sounding in new stereo.

There are more revelations, of course, but these are of the most interest to this board.

Don't forget that these sets include the dedicated monaural mixes too for the mono purists out there.

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I'm not clear on what you mean by "synched" and "extracted." To me, these terms scream out "fake stereo." Do you mean to say that some of the Beach Boys tracks were never available in true stereo? That's seems odd since most LPs were being mixed in stereo in the '60s.
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Aaron, Brian Wilson mixed many Beach Boys tracks to mono only in the 60s.
I recall reading he had/has a hearing problem in one ear and he preferred
mono. #1 hits "I Get Around" and "Good Vibrations" never saw true stereo
mixes before the CD era (and what has appeared, are indeed sync-ups).
Also, the complete "Pet Sounds" LP was mono until the 90s. As well, many
other BB tracks were always mono-only.   I am anxiously waiting to hear
these CDs.
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Interesting. But I still don't understand the need for a "sync up." No
multitracks available?
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Interesting. But I still don't understand the need for a "sync up." No
multitracks available?

Not for everything, no. A lot of companies didn't even keep their multitracks, especially for artists that weren't big. But even on the recent "Smile" release, in production at the height of the Beach Boys' fame, there were two songs where they couldn't find the vocal tracks, and they had to do a sync-up with a radio performance of the songs.

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For Good Vibrations, is there a difference in time between the original mono and the stereo versions?

I was listening to a collection of Time-Life V/A discs that I picked up on ebay called "Spirit of the Sixties." This isn't the UK version, and was released in 2000.
The reason I ask about the time(s), is because I didn't remember the last part of the song going on for 3+ measures before fading out completely. I suppose I could
start looking on the shelf for other versions, but wanted to ask here first. This copy I have runs 3:45. I'm pretty sure it's a stereo version. Though I'm not sure how
to tell if it is "True Stereo."

Edit: I did find another version on the shelf which sounded right at the end, (Quick fade), That one runs 3:32.
Also commenting on LunarLaugh below... For a mono recording, I'd have to put headphones on and listen a bit. If indeed mono, what a mastery of audio arrangements!

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Good Vibrations is, as far as I care, still mono only. All official stereo mixes have been a hodge-podge of "extractions" from the mono mix,
sometimes combined with elements from the existing multi-tracks. There's been a good number of stereo "instrumental" mixes over the years
but for a long time, no vocal multi-tracks were known to exist until around the time the Love and Mercy Brian Wilson biopic was being put
together and lo and behold, a tape containing some single-tracked vocals appeared.

There was an odd edit of Good Vibrations released on the mid 90s DCC reissue of Endless Summer which Steve Hoffman assumingly created solely
because he could; he took the ending off the instrumental mix from the Beach Boys 1993 Good Vibrations 5CD box set and tacked it on to the
original mono mix creating a single mix with a slightly longer ending. The switch in fidelity on the edit is noticeable, though and if you
compare this ending to the one on the actual single mix, you'll notice that it doesn't quite sound right (possibly an alternate take).
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