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Likewise, I find Now And Then to be good not great. I'm amazed though at how well they extracted John's vocal, and how good it sounds !! But then they buried it in the mix 2/3 of the way thru. Too much volume of too many instruments or something = too dense.

What Apple should have done was give us a CD maxi-single with 4 versions, a John only extracted demo, a Beatles only with voices and instruments, then add on the other instruments but at a softer volume, then the full blown mix as is. Plus the new stereo Love Me Do.

Speaking of which, it's most fab to have Love Me Do in stereo, but I've heard other stereo extracted versions of this on the internet which sounded better, with slightly more separation. Still, I'm looking forward to the Red album and all the other new 'stereo' versions.
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Now that the song has been released, I'm seeing more and more stories (hype?) that it actually could debut
at #1 on the Hot 100. While I'd love to see it happen, I'm still thinking it will fall short. Since it
was actually released a day early, the first day (Thursday-11/2) numbers will actually make it eligible to
chart on this coming week's Hot 100 (dated 11/11), though I don't see it happening (possibly "Bubbling
Under"???). The full impact will come on the Hot 100 dated 11/18. The streaming numbers are fairly strong
as of now, but it's the physical sales that could push it all the way to the top. It's times like this when
I wish Joel Whitburn was still around. He'd be so excited to watch this all unfold! Stay tuned...

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Originally posted by Paul Haney Paul Haney wrote:

The streaming numbers are fairly strong as of now


It's currently only at #65 on Apple Music streaming and it's only #24 on Spotify, though it is the #1 seller on the iTunes store.

Since neither "Free as a Bird" nor "Real Love" made it anywhere near #1, I don't know why "Now and Then" would. Then again, those songs were available on the "Beatles Anthology" albums, and this
is only available as a single, so maybe I'll be surprised.
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Originally posted by Brian W. Brian W. wrote:


Since neither "Free as a Bird" nor "Real Love" made it
anywhere near #1, I don't know why "Now and Then" would.
Then again, those songs were available on the "Beatles
Anthology" albums, and this is only available as a single,
so maybe I'll be surprised.


Actually, it will be included on the expanded version of
the Red Album coming out next week. Which is crazy, since
"Free As A Bird" nor "Real Love" are not being included.

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Keep in mind that YouTube views also count towards the streaming numbers, and those are already over 7 million. All
indications are that it could break Adele's largest digital song sales week of 1.1 million (for "Hello"). It's also being
sold as a physical CD single, which could help push it up the chart. I noticed that they are still holding off all of the
Jung Kook singles at the iTunes store this morning. No small feat, seeing as how rabid the BTS fan base can be, LOL!
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Originally posted by EternalStatic EternalStatic wrote:

If the Beatles gimmick their way into a #1 slot or a Top 10 placing, even for a single week, surely that would be something to add to the record books? Longest span between first Top 10 hit and final Top
10 hit, etc.? I think that's all they're after here. And they'll probably get it in the UK.


If The Beatles manage to land in the top 10 they would be just shy of 60 years between their first top 10 (Jan 1964) and their last top 10 (Nov 2023). The only group active is the Rolling Stones that would have any chance to come close to that and they haven't had a Top 10 since the Regan administration....
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Originally posted by Paul Haney Paul Haney wrote:

I'm seeing more and more stories (hype?) that it actually could debut
at #1 on the Hot 100.


From what I have read it will enter the top 10 based on streaming/itunes/youtube and physical sales and probably fall off quickly in 2-3 weeks...
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Originally posted by Brian W. Brian W. wrote:


Since neither "Free as a Bird" nor "Real Love" made it
anywhere near #1, I don't know why "Now and Then" would.


This is a different era. In 1995-1996 it was all about sales. Now it is all about streaming/purchases and views. Free as a Bird made it to #6 and Real Love #11 in a time where sales via soundscan was still a thing.

Originally posted by JMD1961 JMD1961 wrote:



"Free As A Bird" nor "Real Love" are not being included.


That is a big oversight. I would have made room on the 2nd blue CD for them. There sure was enough time to add them for more completeness.

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Billboard's practice of letting Christmas songs back on the Hot 100 each year really skews the record books. You've got
artists like Brenda Lee and Bobby Helms hitting the Top 10 every year and they both go further back than The Beatles and
The Rolling Stones in chart history. Of course, it's not with anything new, still it is the current-day Hot 100.
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Originally posted by Paul Haney Paul Haney wrote:

Billboard's practice of letting Christmas songs back on the Hot 100 each year really skews the record books. You've got
artists like Brenda Lee and Bobby Helms hitting the Top 10 every year and they both go further back than The Beatles and
The Rolling Stones in chart history. Of course, it's not with anything new, still it is the current-day Hot 100.


They might go further back but Mariah always hits #1 right around December. If the Beatles can make it to #1 they probably have a week or two before Mariah leaps to #1 with her 1994 hit All I Want For Christmas Is You.

My understanding no Christmas Song outside Mariah and The Chipmunks ever hit #1 (Crosby's White Christmas was way before the modern era). By the time Mariah charts, the Beatles song will have lost steam.
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