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Yeah, but does anybody remember that the version used on 'Family Ties' was a STUDIO version??

Where was that released? And does anybody have a dub?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 October 2007 at 7:25pm
Andy, a studio version of "At This Moment" can be found on a 2002 Varese CD, entitled "Billy Vera & The Beaters--At This Moment: A Retrospective". It is currently being offered on Amazon.com. Whether it is THE same studio version that was used on "Family Ties", that I do not know.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cmmmbase Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 October 2007 at 9:03pm
a sidenote on the Monkees part of Jim's post - the year was 1986 not 1987 - I remember buying all the Rhino re-issues of the original LPs that fall as well (including 1970's "Changes" - erk!).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 October 2007 at 9:07pm
Thanks, Chuck - of course, you are correct about the year being 1986. The show began in Sept. 1966, so 1986 was the year for the "20th Anniversary Hoopla." I was obviously experiencing "end of a long post fatigue!" :)
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Originally posted by jimct jimct wrote:

[QUOTE=eriejwg]But when both Michael and Davy immediately objected to this, the 45 pressings had to be changed, and now stated the song's artist as "Micky Dolenz And Peter Tork (Of The Monkees)."


I've always wondered about this, since I have a promo copy with a blank white label with a typed title/artist sticker stuck to it that has Dolenz and Tork listed. Shouldn't the promos all say "The Monkees"?
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My apologies: the last thing I intended to do by bringing the Monkees up earlier was to "hijack" the "At This Moment" thread! Vanmeter, here's the story: A simply BRILLIANT ploy, pulled off by Arista CEO Clive Davis. He knew full well that Michael Nesmith would IMMEDIATELY sue Arista, if he'd used "The Monkees" name anywhere on the "That Was Then, This Is Now" 45. So he never did, but he DID skillfully manage to create his desired "public and radio confusion" here. The first promo 45 we got in to the station simply had a blank white label, with NO writing on EITHER side of it. This promo was put inside the same picture sleeve that they used for the commercial 45 (which was PLASTERED with a large "Monkees 20th Anniversary Reunion: A Brand New 1986 Recording" logo on one side, and a large picture of the new "Then & Now...Best Of The Monkees" LP cover photo (which featured head shots of all 4 Monkees, by the way) on the other side of the pic sleeve. THIS was the side of the pic sleeve, in the lower right corner, where Arista added ONE small, "cover-their-asses" touch to the sleeves they sent to radio: As Vanmeter states, they added a white sticker, which is the same size as the ones businesses have used for years to send magazines through the mail. On it, it said, in all-capital, typewritten letters, "The three new recordings on this album were performed by Mickey (sp) Dolenz and Peter Tork (Of The Monkees.)" But NOWHERE on this sleeve itself is this fact EVER mentioned. One thing, though, Vanmeter - Our "sticker" WASN'T stuck to the promo 45 label itself, it was affixed to the pic sleeve; you may wanna check yours again. Most of us radio guys were terrible at keeping track of 45 sleeves (we'd usually lose them immediately; can you say, "Goodbye, sticker/small print!"), and besides, we usually payed NO attention to such details anyway. If it was something we needed to know, our Arista record rep would always tell us. So, to us, it was a "Monkees" record, because we initially saw the big "Monkees" pic sleeve, and our Arista guy always referred to the record that way himself, while trying to convince us to start playing it! I also have a "standard" Arista promo 45 for this song, with the "correct" artist listing, and NO sticker on the pic sleeve. BOTH of these promo 45s had the EXACT same deadwax info: "ASI-9505-SA 39" on one side, and "ASI-9505-SA 82" on the other, so there was no "rush release" thing going on here. This was simply just an Arista attempt to confuse radio a little, obscuring the details in the name of profit, knowing we'd be MUCH more apt to add a "new track, by the suddenly HOT again Monkees" (due to those nightly MTV sitcom reruns) than we would a new song that simply listed the names of the two involved members. Labels would sometimes try to draw attention to a new release by sending us a blank, white label promo, usually with handwritten song/artist details as the only information, trying to give the release a "hot off the press" feel. Other times, they would send us 45s this way, just to simply make good use of successful "test pressing" 45 copies. Hope I've been able to answer your question, Vanmeter. And I apologize for my earlier, incorrect recollection of "Arista had to change the artist on the 45" post. it is AMAZING what comes back to me when I go back, pull and analyze the original promo 45s!!!!!!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote torcan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 October 2007 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by jimct jimct wrote:

And when the "Family Ties" thing happened, Rhino responded to it by putting the song out as a 45, giving the label their only "current" #1 hit. "


Speaking of re-issues, the year 1989 has always fascinated me. Looking back, many old singles came back to the charts that year - Sheriff's "When I'm With You"; Benny Mardones "Into the Night"; Jimmy Harnen & Synch's "Where are you Now"; Moving Pictures "What About Me", and a number of others.

It was interesting reading Billboard and seeing articles on "the next oldie to come back".

Well...even though the next couple of years were still pretty good, music-wise, that was around the time good music started to dwindle (IMHO) - maybe radio didn't have enough good hits and had to look in the "should've been" file!(?)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 October 2007 at 3:29pm
Also add to the list "Send Me An Angel '89" in which the group re-recorded their 1984 smash.

Benny Mardones also re-recorded "Into The Night" that year.

Of course, both songs were on Curb. Seems like a ton on Curb is a re-recording.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:48pm
My timing information is slightly different than Ed's. I'm getting an actual run time of (4:12) for "At This Moment," which is exactly the same length as what's on the Omigod! box set. I compared the two, and the fade out is exactly the same on both.
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Originally posted by jimct jimct wrote:

One thing, though, Vanmeter - Our "sticker" WASN'T stuck to the promo 45 label itself, it was affixed to the pic sleeve; you may wanna check yours again.


Once again, my aging memory takes the cake...you're absolutely right, now that I've gone and looked at mine.
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