Bob Welch-"Hot Love, Cold World"

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   My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:39) and an actual time of (3:38). My deadwax info is "S45-93934 F2". I only post this info because the only current database CD that specifies "45 version" for this song has a run time of (3:34), whereas the four current database CDs that specify "LP version" all have run times of (3:39). 

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Bob Welch-"Hot Love, Cold World" Posted: 03 May 2008 at 9:39pm
	My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:39) and an actual time of (3:38). My deadwax info is "S45-93934 F2". I only post this info because the only current database CD that specifies "45 version" for this song has a run time of (3:34), whereas the four current database CDs that specify "LP version" all have run times of (3:39).

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2008 at 5:15am
	A slightly different mix of this was on the B side of "Sentimental Lady".

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 19	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2008 at 7:02am
	Can anyone catalog the diferences between 45 & LP version?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2008 at 2:49pm
	Offhand I don't know the difference, but I know it can be created from the LP version. It has a very interesting edit, where they took one of the cymbol hits and reversed it on the 45 version, whereas it plays forward on the LP version. My re-creation runs (3:33), so either we have two 45 versions, or else the actual 45's pitch is slower, and I didn't make that correction on my re-created version. It's been too long since I did it.

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2008 at 4:32pm
	One difference that immediately comes to mind between the 2 45 versions is that the false ending was shortened on the newer release.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2008 at 5:12pm
	Yes, I'm pretty sure the (3:33) version that I re-created has a shortened false ending. How long is the B-side version, and how does it differ, mix-wise, from the LP and A-side 45 mix?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2008 at 2:27am
	Bumping this one up to see if we can determine if Jim's 45 might, in fact, be a second pressing identical to the LP version.

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2008 at 9:30am
	I just retimed my vinyl 45 of "Hot Love Cold World" and this time I get a running time of (3:33) -- my matrix number is S45-93934B and is a commercial copy. So it looks like there are two different 45's pressed for this song.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2008 at 9:45am
	Has anyone checked the short commercial 45 against the 3:34 version appearing on Bob Welch's Best of CD (Rhino 70597) to verify if they're identical? If they are, then it might be helpful to have a (short commercial 45 version) comment next to that CD entry so readers will know it's not just an early fade of the LP and long commercial 45 length.

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2008 at 6:00am
	The version on Rhino's "Best Of" is indeed the short 45 version.