Buckinghams - Susan (2:17 DJ promo)

John, my copy isn't quite as clean as I'd like, but I can get you a dub. In my opinion, the mono (2:17) remix sounds inferior to the mono (2:48) 45 mix. I played around with the drumbeat at the edit on the 2:48 45, and by adding enough reverb, it can approximate the same drumbeat on the DJ edit, although not duplicate it.

Does the 2:48 promo copy you ordered not also include the 2:17 edit? Perhaps only the reservice had the short/long configuration.



Edited by Yah Shure

The following posts relating to the "Susan" 2:17 edit had appeared earlier on another thread:


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Hykker     
Posted: 07 August 2008 at 5:23am

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Fetta wrote:

While we are on the subject of Dick Bartley, I just wanted to address something. First off, I think that Dick Bartley has done an amazing job with all of CDs and he has brought to us many hard to find 45 versions. And it is my understanding that he is a "stickler" at finding these versions. But if that is the case, why are several of the tracks on his CDs, in fact, not the correct 45 versions. (i.e. "Woodstock", "Chapel of Love")

I hope this doesn't soound like a knock against Dick Bartley CD's. Like I said, I think they are great....but was just wondering why he would include these tracks on the CDs.


If it's the Matthew's Southern Comfort "Woodstock" you're referring to, he used the promo single edit of the song with the shortened intro and early fade.

Several of the "promo edits" he's used are pretty good stereo re-creations, but aren't exact. A couple that come to mind are "Susan" by the Buckinghams and "Are You Ready"-Pacific Gas & Electric.

That having been said, it's nice that someone has taken the time & effort to issue these, especially since the appeal is likely to be limited to collectors. Too bad they go out of print so fast.



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Pat Downey
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Posted: 07 August 2008 at 5:33pm

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What differences from the dj edit did you find in "Susan" and "Are You Ready" on the Dick Bartley cd's?



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Hykker
     
Posted: 07 August 2008 at 6:14pm | IP Logged      Quote Hykker

Pat Downey wrote:
What differences from the dj edit did you find in "Susan" and "Are You Ready" on the Dick Bartley cd's?


I'd have to go back & check "Are You Ready", but the edit in "Susan" was noticeably loose. Hard to describe, but edit point is ~1/2 second late. Nit-picky perhaps, but quite noticeable if you're familiar with the promo single.



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Bill Cahill
     
Posted: 08 August 2008 at 5:27pm

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On the Dick Bartley CDs:

The "Susan" edit was an edit from the multitrack remixes done for the Legacy CDs, it has that doubling effect near the end that was only on the remix.

Mathews' Southern Comfort was an incorrectly edited for the intro. (It should be a late start, not an edit)

I thought Dick told me that the Pacific Gas and Electric came from a very clean DJ 45 as they didn't have the tape so I think that one is correct.

Dick was trying hard to put out rare stereo or different versions you couldn't find elsewhere, hence some of the stranger versions.



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jimct
     
Posted: 16 August 2008 at 1:09pm

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Pat Downey wrote:
What differences from the dj edit did you find in "Susan" on the Dick Bartley cd's?

Pat, to me the most noticable difference between the DJ edit and the Bartley CD is that at the exact moment of the edit, which removed the "psychedelia", there is what sounds to me to be a drumstick loudly banging a piece of aluminum foil, as a transitional element, which is unique to the 45. As has been indicated earlier, Bartley simply edited the stereo CD version, which is close, but does not include this unique musical element.



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Yah Shure

Posted: 17 August 2008 at 8:14pm

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I just did an A/B comparison between the long (2:48) and edited (2:17) sides of the mono "Susan" DJ 45, and there is a discernable difference in the mixes between the two. It is especially noticeable in the run-up just before the stopping point for the psychedelia. The drumming is crisp and prominent on the (2:48) side, but is quite buried in the mix on the (2:17) side. There is more of a "wall of sound" feel to the (2:17) mix; it's harder to pick out the drumming and the bass.

Because of the mix differences, editing the (2:48) side does not produce the same result as the (2:17) edit. The drum beat at the "love-love-love-love" edit point is quieter and wetter on the (2:17) edit, giving it that "aluminum foil" sound that Jim mentioned. The same drum beat on the (2:48) side sounds more like a normal drum beat. The (2:48) side of the DJ 45 uses the same mix as the commercial 45.

And even the edit on the vinyl (2:17) DJ 45 is a tad late. Tightening it up to match the beat produces a less-jarring edit.



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eriejwg wrote: Yah Sure... Yes, the 2:48 promo I ordered is 2:48 on both sides and does not show reservice. Musta been a first pressing.

Well, there must have been at least 4 versions of the promo 45.

I have 2 promos of this: one that's just a white-label version of the stock copy with the 2:48 verson on one side & "Foreign Policy" on the other/
The other has the 2:17 on one side and the 2:48 on the other.

Then there's your 2:48/2:48 copy and Yah Shure's 2:17/2:17 "rush reservice" version.

BTW, my 2:17 version is quite clean if you'd like a dub.

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John: Yes and yes. Guercio was initially a Columbia staff producer, then managed and produced Chicago. Caribou Ranch was his Colorado studio.

Steve: My reservice copy is 2:17/2:48. Based on your added info, we now know that that configuration appears both with and without the reservice designation. Music directors must have been wondering what the heck was going on, just as with Chicago's "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" multiple promo 45s a couple years later... and therein lies another James William Guercio connection!

The short edit promo was made at the request of MOR and some Top 40 stations. They told Columbia that the freaky psychedelic part prevented them from playing the record at all.

Our Top 40 station, KRIZ/Phoenix, played the full single but MOR station KOY, as best I can struggle to remember, added the edit version to its playlist.

Sure wish I had kept the KRIZ promo copy.....

Gary