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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Pat, just FYI for the database. You currently show the
"Rock Artifacts" CD as having the "LP Mix" but to my disappointment it has the same remix that is on the "Mercy Mercy Mercy" CD with the double tracked vocal at the end. So I thought just maybe since their "Portraits" album is available for download, I could get the original mix there. Nope, the digital-revisionists at Sony replaced the song with the remixed version. Sigh. MM |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ok in a quest to re-create the DJ 45 version as closely
as possible, I analyzed the various mixes. Here's what I found. 1) The mono stock 45 is a dedicated mix. There's not really any one thing that stands out, but one small detail is in all the stereo mixes, the strings at the music break come in before the downbeat, but in the mono mix the strings start right at the downbeat. 2) The promo DJ edit is simply a quickly made, poorly mastered edit of the stock mono mix. It sounds so different because they made a low quality copy of the mono, made the quick edit, and then added a ton more compression (as mentioned earlier, much like modern brick-walling). That's why the edit point sounds different, the high compression maximizes all the reverb. So, I guess the words "rush re-service" on the label were quite literal, they rushed. 3) The closest thing to the mono mix in stereo is the original stereo LP mix. This mix appears on only TWO CD's.. the original Columbia "Best Of" (faded too early) and the Varese Dick Bartley "On The Radio" CD as the DJ edit attempt. And since the Best-of master fades about 5 seconds sooner than the original album did, the edit re-creation fades too early as well. Too bad they didn't notice that and request a new analog transfer. NOTE: currently the DB comment on the above Cd reads "(this is an edit of the "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" CD version in an unsuccessful attempt at recreating the dj 45 edit and mix)" But it should read: "(edit of the LP version in an unsuccessful attempt at recreating the DJ edit and mix)" As for the edit point, the Bartley CD got it closer than Varese's later attempt, but it comes in too late. One can remove a snippet of audio just before the drum beat and that will make it match. 4) Then there's the 2016 Varese Cd "The Complete Hit Singles". Currently the DB states "(this is the DJ edit)" but alas it is also a failed attempt. This CD uses the "Mercy Mercy Mercy" CD remix. And this time instead of making the splice too late, they made it much too early. Yes it runs the correct length but that's because the only version available in digital form that is long enough is the remix. So the correct description for this entry is the one currently on the earlier Varese CD. Bottom line: to create the true DJ edit, you'll need to edit a dub of the stock 45. To create the best stereo facsimile of the DJ edit, you'll need to edit a dub of the original vinyl LP or Best-of LP. On CD, the closest thing to it is on Varese's "On The Radio, Vol 2." Hope this helps, and is not too confusing. MM |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Actually according to interviews with the members of the band the 2:17 was probably the original version. The the producer inserted the so called "psychedelic" portion which was actually an excerpt of another piece in the Columbia classical catalog..without the bands knowledge. It's been a while, but seems to me it was an ""Leonard Bernstein excerpt conducting Charles Ives' composition, "Central Park in the Dark." That's why a proper edit cannot be made from the released hit single. Edited by TallPaulInKy |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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Does anyone else notice that the strings on the mono 45
version are perfectly in sync with the track? Yet on the original stereo mix and the stereo remix, they fall out of sync with the rest of the track? My theory is the string parts might have been tracked to a second multitrack and then manually sync'd to the original multi-track during mixing (The Beatles and other artists used this practice a handful of times back in the day to avoid losing a tape generation of sound quality... very tricky to pull off and often made mixing very time consuming). By the time they got the mono mixdown just right, they had to start over again with the stereo mix and the string parts were just slightly off the mark. If I had to guess, I would say that the remix was made with only the original stereo mix as a reference so the strings sounded right to them. It's one of those things that once you hear it, you can't un-hear it. |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ok.... Paul, I can tell with 100% certainty that whatever the band member might have said or think they recall, this is NOT the case. The DJ edit can be 100% properly made from the original hit mono 45 mix. As indicated in my post above that is the only way to re- create the accurate DJ edit - and I have done so, perfectly. SO ... let's really think this this thru. The song was recorded with that abrupt "transition" from the chorus to the end part...a very abrupt transition ...and ran 2:17? ...and then LATER they decide to add the montage part to it to what?? Make it ..what?? LESS appealing to AM radio? I'm sorry but, NO. The DJ edit was edited from the commercial 45 as a rush-re-service for AM radio to REMOVE the montage and make it more commercial for radio. This has been documented in more than one place many times over. The montage was part of the original commercial single and then edited as a rush re-service to radio. There is NO way they "added" that montage after the fact to make a longer commercial single. For starters, how did they find a perfect "montage" that would match the 2nd half of that horribly abrupt edit, so it sounded natural? Well you know the answer...impossible. The DJ edit is an edit of the commercial 45, period. MM |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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The "Central Park in the Dark" section was producer James
William Guercio's brainchild from the get-go. He wanted that "A Day In The Life" vibe. It was very much a product of the times. When the band tracked the song, there was nothing but silence connecting the two surrounding sections which Guercio then filled in without the band's involvement. If you listen to it, you can actually hear Guercio himself saying the name 'Susan' played backwards 2 or 3 times during that section. |
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