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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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my commercial 45 for the crazy elephant song 'gimme gimme
good lovin' issued as bell 763 states the run time on the label as 2:00.....i see the db qualifies some versions (stereo) as the lp version while the mono version as '45 version' does anyone know what the differences are between the 'lp version' and '45 version'? |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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One thing comes to mind...
The stereo LP is a weaker mix. The lead vocal is somewhat buried & the bass guitar is midrangy & upfront. The mono 45 is mixed just about right. Andy |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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They're different takes, Ed.
The overall impact of the mixes is different, too. The prominent drums and bass on the 45 version give the record a driving rock beat. Those elements are moved to the background on the stereo LP version, and with the organ pushed to the forefront, "Gimme" takes on a decidedly more bubblegum-y feel. |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I do have to disagree that they are different takes, i
had synched them years ago to check that - however the mix is so different i can understand it sounding that way. The pitch is slower on the 45, and that does change the "feel" as well. Besides the organ almost completely mixed out of the 45 except for the break, the 45 also has more reverb on the vocals, and the 45 has vocal ad-libs audible during the guitar break that are so low as to be missing from the stereo. I agree with Yah Shure's comment about what it did to the overall style. The mono mix "feels" almost like garage rock - while the stereo, with drums pushed way out and the organ turned way up, gave it a bubble-gummy, bouncy feel. A Shame. MM |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The vocals are quite similar, but the giveaway is the "whoo!" near the end of the instrumental break. It lasts about twice as long on the 45 as it is does on the LP version. |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Well, again, i had to synch them several years back for a
friend's project, and synching proved they are indeed the same take. The "whoo!" is one of the elements they messed up in the mix, by turning up the vocal track suddenly in the middle of it. that is why it's shorter in the stereo mix. MM |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Okay, Mark, you've convinced me. :)
At the time Ed made his initial post this morning, I'd always thought it was just a mix difference. But in checking the stereo contents of the Gimme Gimme Good Lovin' LP on the BSN site, the first thing they had to say about it was "The stereo version of "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'" is a different take from the 45." That was what prompted me to compare the two. Like you said, the speed differences made that job difficult, to the point where the only obvious difference, aside from a few vocal grunts during the break, was the "whoo!" It was bad enough that a catchy, near-garage rocker ended up mired in a humongous wad of Dubble Bubble, but to then make its signature "whoo!" a whopping 50% less celebratory was so uncalled for. :) |
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