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    Posted: 21 January 2009 at 9:11pm
This is a question that has puzzled me for many years, and I have finally found examples to make it easier for me to explain. There seems to be two different short (single?) versions of "China Girl." Both seem to be similiar except for the final guitar note.

Exhibit A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qjTStVY6Hk

Listen to the end guitar note starting at around 3:53


Now... I present Exhibit B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uZETFSmOxE

That same guitar note should be there at 3:53 but it's missing.

Over the years I've heard both of these versions, although the one I remember most from "back in the day" was "Exhibit A." Which one of these was the single version? I really want to find "Exhibit A" on CD, but all I ever seem to run into is "Exhibit B" or the full length album version.

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Now that you mention this Rich, I went back and listened to the cd's in the database that indicate the 45 version of China Girl and the cd's manufactured by Rykodisc seem to have additional guitar notes around 3:53. The question now arises, do these Rykodisc cd's deserve a "neither the 45 nor LP version" comment or were there actually two different 45 pressings of China Girl? My 45 pressing does not match the Rykodisc cd's.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2009 at 3:05pm
That's an interesting observation. Those "additional" guitar notes are not anything unique; it's just a matter of where the edit was placed on the LP version. The Rykodisc version has the edit placed a few seconds later than the 45 version. So, unless there were two different 45 versions, the Rykodisc version would be an "improper attempt at re-creating the 45 version."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RichM921 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2009 at 9:53pm
But the "additional guitar notes" version (for lack of a better term right now) appeared on the original censored version of the video. So I wouldn't call it an improper edit if that version was around when the song was released. Perhaps it's a "video version"?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2009 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by RichM921 RichM921 wrote:

But the "additional guitar notes" version (for lack of a better term right now) appeared on the original censored version of the video. So I wouldn't call it an improper edit if that version was around when the song was released. Perhaps it's a "video version"?

Are we sure about this? I've seen many instances where the video audio was extremely poor quality, so someone dubbed over it with a higher quality sound file. Someone could have easily replaced the audio track. Also, it seems odd that they would've used a different version of the song for the censored and uncensored vidoes, given that the two edits are practically the same.
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Is it just the Rykodisc versions that have the different edit?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RichM921 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2009 at 7:16pm
I checked dozens of "China Girl" versions on You Tube and and they seem to have the different edit. I doubt that a user re-dubbed it, but perhaps this came from a Rykodisc VHS/DVD which subbed the track on their release?

You may be right, I won't rule out that this "different" edit didn't exist in 1983, even though I thought it did. The only Bowie album I ever owned was the "The Singles 1969-1993" collection, which did happen to be on Ryko. Maybe that album had that version and that's what I'm remembering?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2009 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by RichM921 RichM921 wrote:

You may be right, I won't rule out that this "different" edit didn't exist in 1983, even though I thought it did.

You might also be right. I'm just hesitant to use YouTube as an official source for anything, since those videos can easily be manipulated by anyone who decides to post a video. If we were to find an official copy of the videos, then we could say for sure if this was a "video edit" or not.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2009 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by RichM921 RichM921 wrote:

I checked dozens of "China Girl" versions on You Tube and and they seem to have the different edit. I doubt that a user re-dubbed it...

I just listened carefully to the "Exhibit A" version (the one with the improper Rykodisc edit), and that video has without a doubt been dubbed over with a different audio track. For one, David Bowie's lips don't even come close to matching the audio track. Also, there is virtually no "hiss" that would be found if it were taken from a video tape. By contrast, the "uncensored" video with the correct 45 version has lots of hiss reduction applied, and the audio is in sync with the video. I'd be willing to bet you that all of the dozens of YouTube copies with the "different" edit are all from the same bogus dubbed-over source.

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Here's a link to the video posted by "OfficialDavidBowie." The video is definitely in sync with the audio track, and the edit is the correct 45 version---not the Rykodisc version. It is also the censored version of the video, so here is more proof that those censored videos with the "different" edit are unofficial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE1QLKusd0o

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