Death Row’s BUTCHERED EDITS!

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   I know I've brought this up before, but I just noticed that Pat has recently added Chronicles: Death Row Classics (edited version) to the database, so I wanted to share this information again.

Death Row's original, clean single mixes, for the most part all have different lyrics than the LP counterparts.  The database currently lists "censored" next to many Death Row hits from 2Pac, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, etc.; however, it is important to note that most of these censored versions are NOT the original, clean single mixes.  They are newly re-edited LP versions that simply reverse the objectionable language.

In fact, most full-length Death Row releases from the early to mid '90s were never issued in clean versions.  It wasn't until 2000 and later that they put together new, butchered clean versions of some of their classic albums.  These new edits are the "censored" versions that have been issued on the clean version of Chronicles.  I'm going to check the 2-disc Death Row compilation recently released, and I'll report my findings shortly.

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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Death Row’s BUTCHERED EDITS! Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:22pm
	I know I've brought this up before, but I just noticed that Pat has recently added Chronicles: Death Row Classics (edited version) to the database, so I wanted to share this information again. Death Row's original, clean single mixes, for the most part all have different lyrics than the LP counterparts. The database currently lists "censored" next to many Death Row hits from 2Pac, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, etc.; however, it is important to note that most of these censored versions are NOT the original, clean single mixes. They are newly re-edited LP versions that simply reverse the objectionable language. In fact, most full-length Death Row releases from the early to mid '90s were never issued in clean versions. It wasn't until 2000 and later that they put together new, butchered clean versions of some of their classic albums. These new edits are the "censored" versions that have been issued on the clean version of Chronicles. I'm going to check the 2-disc Death Row compilation recently released, and I'll report my findings shortly.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:33pm
	As I suspected, the compilation 15 Years On Death Row is also a nightmare with wrong versions. Almost every track on the censored version of this release uses the hacked up LP versions and not the clean single mixes. The only two tracks they appear to have correct, but were not top 40 hits, are "How Do U Want It" and "To Live And Die In L.A.," both by 2Pac.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:10pm
	Given that the database is unclear in some cases about which version is which, I will try to straighten it all out in this post. I will need some assistance as to which versions were released on the US CD or cassette singles. Dr. Dre feat. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Nuthin' But A "G" Thang "Radio Mix" contains alternate lyrics. CDs containing this mix include "Millennium Hip Hop Party" and "MTV The First 1000 Years - Hip Hop." Some CDs contain an edited version that was released several years after its initial release. These CDs include "The Chronic (Edited)" and "The Very Best Of Death Row (Edited)," among others. I propose that the comment "neither 45 nor LP version" be listed for CDs with the later, newly edited version. Dr. Dre feat. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Dre Day "Radio Mix" contains alternate lyrics. To my knowledge, no full-length CD contains this mix. Some CDs contain an edited version that was released several years after its initial release. These CDs include "The Chronic (Edited)" and "Death Row Classics (Edited)," among others. I propose that the comment "neither 45 nor LP version" be listed for CDs with the later, newly edited version. Dr. Dre - Let Me Ride "Radio Mix" contains alternate lyrics. The CD "The NWA Legacy, Vol 1 (Edited)" contains this mix. Some CDs contain an edited version that was released several years after its initial release. These CDs include "The Chronic (Edited)" and "The Very Best Of Death Row (Edited)," among others. I propose that the comment "neither 45 nor LP version" be listed for CDs with the later, newly edited version. Edited by aaronk

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:17pm
	Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' The CD Death Row's Greatest Hits (both edited and unedited) contain a shorter (3:58) version. This CD should contain the comment "neither 45 nor LP version," as I've never seen any CD singles, promo or commercial, that have a (3:58) version. Also, for the first three Dr. Dre singles in the previous post, I propose that the "uncensored version" comment be changed to "LP version," since the original full-length album The Chronic was never originally issued in a censored version. Edited by aaronk

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:27pm
	Snoop Doggy Dogg - What's My Name? "Radio Mix," which is also the 45 version, contains alternate lyrics. The database correctly identifies which CDs have this version. Some CDs contain an edited version that was released several years after its initial release. These CDs include "Doggystyle (Edited)" and "Death Row's Greatest Hits (Edited)," among others. I propose that the comment "neither 45 nor LP version" be listed for CDs with the later, newly edited version. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Gin And Juice "Radio Version," which is also the 45 version, contains alternate lyrics. The database correctly identifies which CD contains the 45 version. Some CDs contain an edited version that was released several years after its initial release. These CDs include "Doggystyle (Edited)" and "Death Row's Greatest Hits (Edited)," among others. I propose that the comment "neither 45 nor LP version" be listed for CDs with the later, newly edited version. Also, for comments that currently read "uncensored LP version," I would suggest changing it to simply "LP version," since the full-length album Doggystyle was never originally released in a censored version.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:34pm
	2Pac - I Get Around As I posted in another thread, some DJ copies contain the "Xtra Xtra Clean Version," running (4:19), which has censored lyrics. This is the ONLY censored version that was issued when the song was a hit. All other CDs containing a "censored" version have an edited version that was released several years later. I would suggest that all CDs containing the later, newly edited version have the comment "neither 45 nor LP version," instead of "censored version." All comments that read "uncensored version" should be removed, since this was the only version released in 1993 (other than the DJ edit). Edited by aaronk

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2007 at 6:50am
	Aaron, you mention a "radio mix" for a number of these songs but I don't have any dj cd single entries listed for these "radio mixes" so could you pass along the detailed information so I can add this information to the database?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2007 at 9:08am
	Yes, when I get home this evening, I'll try to supply as much info as possible. For now... 2Pac - I Get Around PRCD 5188 1. Xtra Xtra Clean Version (4:19 - listed & actual time) Snoop Doggy Dogg - Gin And Juice PRCD 5456 1. Radio Version (No Indo) (listed 3:41; actual 3:37) 2. Radio Version (listed 3:38; actual 3:40) 3. Laid Back Mix (listed 4:48; actual 4:47) 4. Laid Back Radio Mix (listed 3:40; actual 3:39) For the rest of the singles, I have the import versions, but not the DJ singles. However, I have had copies of all of these DJ CDs in my possession at one time, and I can say that the import CDs have the exact same mixes and run times as the promo CDs. The only exception is that a few of the import singles have extra tracks that are not on the DJ singles, but I'll try to find an exact track listing and catalog number for all the singles.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2007 at 3:41pm
	Aaron/Pat: Here is my promo CD single info for the titles brought up: Dr. Dre-"Nuthin' But A "G" Thang" (DPRO 6650) 1-Radio Mix (listed 3:56; actual 3:55) 2-LP Version (listed and actual 3:58) 3-Instrumental (listed and actual 4:06) 4-Club Mix (listed 4:38; actual 4:37) 5-Vibe Instrumental (listed 5:09; actual 4:30) 6-Freestyle Remix (listed 4:11; actual 3:10) Dr. Dre-"Keep Their Heads Ringin'" (DPRO 50868) 1-Radio (no listed time; actual 5:00) 2-LP Version (no listed time; actual 5:02) 3-Instrumental (no listed time; actual 4:55) Dr. Dre-"Dre Day" (DPRO 6661) 1-Radio Mix (listed 4:52; actual 4:51) 2-LP Version (listed 4:52; actual 4:51) 3-Extended Club Mix (listed 10:00; actual 9:53) 4-Instrumental Version (listed 4:52; actual 4:51) I have two different promo CD singles for: Dr. Dre-"Let Me Ride" (DPRO 7029) 1-Radio Mix (listed and actual 4:20) Dr. Dre-"Let Me Ride" (DPRO 7034) 1-Extra Clean Radio Edit (listed 3:45; actual 3:53) GREAT job sorting all out this out, Aaron! Hope this additional info helps a little bit. Edited by jimct

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2007 at 8:41pm
	AWESOME! Thanks a lot for adding this info, Jim. That just leaves one, which is "What's My Name?" There may be more than one promo CD for this, but I've only ever come across a 1-track promo CD. Snoop Doggy Dogg - What's My Name? PRCD 5335 1. Radio Mix (actual 4:15)