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   sriv94  
   
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     Topic: Disappointing Singles?Posted: 14 April 2006 at 4:20pm  | 
 
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   My thoughts about the TM Century edit of "November Rain" kinda sparked this thread idea.  Since most of us collect singles (although mine primarily aren't on vinyl), I'm sure we've had some in our collections in which we felt (whether at the time or thinking about it well after the fact) that a better job could've been done fashioning the 45 out of the LP version.
 
   
  For me--the first time I heard the single version of the Allman Brothers Band's "Jessica," I was disappointed. With the exception of one edit during the bridge from the guitar passages to the piano solo, it essentially is Part 1 of the LP version. While I'm not sure how I would've mapped it out, I would've liked an edit that contained at least some of the guitar work at the end of the LP version. Anybody have some other 45 versions that they think could have been improved upon? Grant had mentioned doing a more streamlined take on "Closer To Home," to use another example. There must be others.  | 
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     Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:46am | 
 
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   I would have to say that the worst hatchet job ever done to a song to 
 
   
  make it onto a 45 is Kiss' "Detroit Rock City." It's as if the engineer cut the song up into several pieces, dropped them on the floor, and put them back together without looking. Since the song isn't that long, they should've just put the LP version on the single.  | 
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     Posted: 15 April 2006 at 11:17pm | 
 
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   I was disappointed with the Earth, Wind & Fire 45 of "That's The Way Of The World".  Before I could find the true edit (just over 3:00), I took a stab at it myself for my station, including both verses and cutting the instrumental solos.  
 
   
  Then, last week, I heard the actual 45 mix (which as mine does, cuts the intro and interlude after the first verse), and I was surprised that it cut the second verse but kept the guitar solo. I still like mine better. I'll share if anyone wants - email me - Edited by eric_a  | 
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     Posted: 20 April 2006 at 8:07am | 
 
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   1) On Billy Joel's "My Life", it has a sloppy edit near the end, which we've talked about here before -- but I specifically don't like that it edits out the piano solo near the end, which I think many people have become accustomed to hearing on the radio during the CD era. So I took the 45 edit from "Greatest Hits" and inserted the piano break back in. Still shorter than the LP version, for me this is the "ideal single edit"! :)
 
   
  2) On Bee Gees' "Nights On Broadway" I don't like the soft bridge being edited out on the dj 45. Still, I preferred a shorter version than the LP version. So I kind of combined the 2 approaches. I took the long version and made it like the dj edit with the exception of deleting the bridge. In other words, I did the one other edit, I sped up the song accordingly, and I did the same early fade as the dj 45. 3) REO Speedwagon - "Take It on the Run". I didn't have the single of this song, so I recently took a guess as to what it would be (I did my own edit) and was wrong. When I finally saw what they did for the edit, I personally didn't like it. I edited the long guitar solo in half but kept Chor 3 & 4 intact. They edited out one of the last two choruses but kept the long guitar solo. Both versions clock in at the same time. Everyone has their own tastes, I know, but I like the chorus so much more than the guitar solo, that I'd rather hear a shortened guitar solo than miss a whole chorus. On a similar topic, I've also made my own customized edits when a long song never had a single edit! For instance, while Roberta Flack's "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" has a single edit, I was surprised to see there was none (and not even a dj edit) for "Killing Me Softly" which clocks in at 4:45, which was long for a single back in '72. So I did my own edit that clocked in around 4:10 if I recall. (I've done this for about a dozen songs. In a couple cases, I did this to long album cuts that were never singles. I made what I thought would be a nice single edit, had the record company ever picked these 7 minute songs as singles!)  | 
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     Posted: 29 April 2006 at 6:47pm | 
 
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   EdisonLite, there was a DJ 45 short version on "Killing Me Softly With His Song." Both the mono and stereo sides list a running time of (4:13), but are actually (4:18). As I recall, it is simply an early fade, so I'm sure your thoughtful custom edit (which also happens to be in the 4:10-ish range) is FAR better. This fade was the only one I heard on radio in '73. From my years in the biz, top gold usually gave way to a reprint oldies 45 or a Best Of LP version cart dub after a year or two (which means the 4:46 version.) This tends to muddy the memory of what we heard as currents. BTW, I had my digital-wizard-buddy do the same thing as you, for both "Back Home Again" and "Thank You Falletinme Be Mice Elf Again." 
    
   
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     Posted: 29 April 2006 at 9:51pm | 
 
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   Interesting -- because I just checked my custom edit of "Killing Me Softly" and it clocks in at 4:18! Surprising that theirs is 4:18 but an early fade, whereas I edited out one chorus (in a rather tricky, but unnoticeable spot).
    
   
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     Posted: 10 December 2022 at 9:26am | 
 
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   Does anybody have the edits/fade on the dj version of Nights 
 
   
  On Broadway? Thanks in advance!  | 
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     Posted: 10 December 2022 at 10:06am | 
 
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   I think my most 'Disappointing Single' was "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" by Crosby, Stills & Nash. 
 
   
  What a hack job! -Bill.  | 
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     Posted: 11 December 2022 at 12:42am | 
 
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   As I remember, Aerosmith's "Sweet Emotion" had the guitar riff (that's a major hook for the record) completely excised from the single!
 
   
  I'm sure there are others, but that one immediately leapt to mind. Of course there are remixes and edits for time I personally didn't care for, but that felt like a rewriting of the song.  | 
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     Posted: 11 December 2022 at 7:18am | 
 
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   What?  No mention of "Lyin' Eyes"?
 
   
  I never thought the edit of "Suite Judy Blue Eyes" was that bad, granted it was never a favorite of mine. Back in 1969 WRKO aired a house edit of that which ran more or less the same length as the single, but they'd removed the whole "Tuesday morning, Sunday in the afternoon..." part. For the longest time it didn't sound right to me with that part intact. Not sure why they did it...maybe they were trying to scoop the competition on it, and edited the LP version down, and just never replaced it when the single was released. 
 Just going from memory, a shortened intro, early fade, and removal of the bridge were what was done to create the promo edit on that. So was your end result basically the full version with a short intro?  | 
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