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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ok
Thanks to Ed for providing me a dub of the original 45. Now, for my purposes here, "stereo mix" refers only to the more modern stereo mix that first appeared on CD. To my knowledge, first issued on the 1995 DCC disc "Too Cute" mastered by Steve Hoffman. This new mix was different than the old vinyl stereo; that was a very strange mix that first appeared on the 1967 v/a comp called "Incense And Oldies" on Buddah. I don't have access to the vinyl stereo mix right now. When the CD mix first came out, Mike Callahan thought it was an underdub only missing some reverb, and the "yeah yeah's" during the ending. So later cd's by Taragon (Red Bird/Blue Cat Story), and then Varese too, used the new CD mix and synched in the "yeah yeah's" and added reverb. It still sounded to me like a vocal underdub through-out. The mono 45 mix has lush, thick vocals, more than just added reverb. It stands out more in the harmony parts, such the line "we'll love until the end of time". So, for comparison I synched the 45 dub to one of the mono CD appearances to be sure that version/length/overdubs all matched, and they do. For the mono source, I ended up chosing the soundtrack to "Full Metal Jacket" since it sounds nice and clean there. I also synched the original 45 to the stereo version and the backing tracks are indeed identical. However, note Pat's comment about the chimes at 2:00 - 2:04. They ARE different, but only in that one spot. In the stereo mix, the chimes there are a lower octave and on the 45 they are higher there. At some point when finishing the mono mix, they wanted those chimes higher so they must have dubbed them right over the low ones, since again, the backing track is identical. The chime/xylophone at 2:22 is simply potted down in the 45, was left turned up in the stereo mix. The VOCALS i think i need other ears to help me out here. They are either an alternate vocal take, OR an underdub. When you synch an underdub in one channel, and the full version with overdubbed vocals in the other, you typically get a stereo effect with vocals sounding split left and right. But you also get this effect when they are 2 different takes. One can usually tell the difference if one listens closely. Well, I'm leaning towards underdub as i thought, but can anyone lend me an ear? PM me and i'll email an mp3 of my synch file. Any help much appreciated. My synch file is: left channel: The DCC stereo mix, folded to mono right channel: the mono 45 mix taken from CD. PS - if this is an underdub, my tests of synching this tell me i can make a pleasing stereo mix of this with all the missing overdubs, it should sound pretty nice. -MM |
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With a database as huge as this, I will likely spend the rest of my natural life finding new things about these old tracks.
I picked up a collection of CDs that had an extremely dry version of this track. In fact, it's the first time I think I've ever heard this without echo or reverb. From the CD "Rock 'n Roll Relix 1964-1965 - 18 Classic Hits" (1996), Possibly formerly a collection called "Lotta Rock" from an unknown year. The first thing that grabbed me was the dry nature of this track. Reading the label, it is listed as a stereo cut. So, I'm not really sure how much this has been monkeyed with for this collection. As I've mentioned before, there are so many intricacies that define what the original, or true sound of a single should be, I think I'm going forward with what I prefer to hear in my personal collection. I really like this version! And, I will probably replace the personal collection on my phone with this. I may find that it sounds completely unacceptable in the car, so I may not. Reading Mark's comments above, I'll have to dig into the definitions of "Underdubs." |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Mono version
This was the hit version back in 1964. The oldest CD I have with the mono version is Rhino's Wonder Women The History Of The Girl Group Sound (1986). It runs 2:47 here, and sounds quite nice. You can clearly hear the word "chapel" before the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:
Stereo versions I believe the oldest CD with a true stereo version of any type is DCC Compact Classics' multi-artist compilation Too Cute! (1995). This version is pretty dry, with almost no reverb at all. This mix is far too clean and dry to my ears, and doesn't sound consistent with 1964. It also runs out farther than any other version out there, running to 2:51. The bells from 2:00-2:04 are relatively low in pitch. There's another stereo version on Varese's Dick Bartley On the Radio Vol. 3 (1998), which includes more reverb than the DCC version, and runs about 7 beats shorter than the DCC version. It has its left and right channels swapped, compared to the DCC disc. The bells from 2:00-2:04 are relatively low in pitch, like the DCC disc. The same analog transfer is used on:
Fake stereo These sound awful. Avoid all of these:
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The DCC "Too Cute" version was mixed from four track by Hoffman. It is an "underdub" in that it lacks some vocal overdubs from the
'finished' 'original'; see here: https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/too-cute- dcc-oldies-c ompilation-cd.357878 2998097">https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beach-classi cs-by-steve-on-dcc-a-chartbustin-appreciation-thread-track-b y-track.126344/page-11#post- 2998097 Edited by Bounder's Bay |
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