El Chicano - "Viva Tirado"

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   I am not saying any of the dj's that recall playing Part 2 are wrong.  I am saying that since many people consider Billboard to be the bible, then Billboard has spoken (correctly or incorrectly) that Part 1 was the hit side.  No one at the time this song was hit apparently complained to Billboard so they never changed their chart listing to Part 2 so how can you justify trying to change what they printed during the chart run of this song.  Did Joel Whitburn change the listing in any of his publications to indicate Part 2 was the hit side? 

Regardless of what is printed in Billboard or what appears in the database, all cd's that contain the song Viva Tirado are listed in the database whether it is Part 1 or Part 2.  You may make your own determination as to which version suits your needs. 

Edited by Pat Downey

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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2007 at 5:34am
	I am not saying any of the dj's that recall playing Part 2 are wrong. I am saying that since many people consider Billboard to be the bible, then Billboard has spoken (correctly or incorrectly) that Part 1 was the hit side. No one at the time this song was hit apparently complained to Billboard so they never changed their chart listing to Part 2 so how can you justify trying to change what they printed during the chart run of this song. Did Joel Whitburn change the listing in any of his publications to indicate Part 2 was the hit side? Regardless of what is printed in Billboard or what appears in the database, all cd's that contain the song Viva Tirado are listed in the database whether it is Part 1 or Part 2. You may make your own determination as to which version suits your needs. Edited by Pat Downey

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 December 2007 at 11:12am
	Upon doing a comparison between the A and B sides of the promo 45, it appears that the shorter "Part II" is an edited version of "Part I." Jim is correct, though, about "Part I" fading out while "Part II" ends cold. Does the (4:40) version on CD end cold? Some sort of database distinction should be made here, because the "Part I" side only runs (4:29); however, I don't have any of the CDs, unfortunately, to check for myself. Also, I'm concluding, based on the above information, that the stock 45's "Part II" is the same as the promo. Please correct me if I'm drawing wrong conclusions here. Edited by aaronk

sriv94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote sriv94 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 December 2007 at 3:04pm
	The (4:44) version I have on Rhino's Rock Instrumental Classics - Soul CD ends cold. (There's about four seconds of dead space after the track ends, so it really runs (4:40).)
	Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 December 2007 at 3:33pm
	Thanks, Doug! I was just able to compare the (4:40) CD version with the 45, and the database will need the comment LP length for all (4:40) CD appearances, assuming that the LP runs (4:40). The (4:29) 45 is just an early fade of that (4:40) version.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 128	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 December 2007 at 11:42pm
	On "Part II" (aka the "Short Version"), the edits occur at 0:00 (intro partially removed), 0:57, 1:30, and 2:45. (Please note that these times do not reference the LP version at all.) If you're trying to re-create the edit, you'll have to remove 9.5, 33.2, 37.7, and 16.5 seconds, respectively, at the aforementioned edit points.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2011 at 10:24am
	my commercial 45 which is in stereo issued as kapp 2085 states a run time on the label as 4:30 but actually runs 4:29 and if you fade the 4:40 version for 0:12 from 4:17 to 4:29 you'll effectively re-create the proper 45 version....this s/b added to the db...
	edtop40

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2011 at 3:36pm
	I just took a look at my promo copy and Part 1 has the station notations (sticker with date, colored dot indicating category & filing info), so apparently this station did play the long version. I didn't work there at the time so I can't say for sure. Most stations did stick with the short version though. As far as Billboard's notation of Pt. 1 being the hit side, could it have been a typo at the beginning that just got perpetuated? There was no designated "plug" side on my promo single.