EXPOSE - "Point Of No Return"

Pat, yes the 2CD edition of "Exposure" that I have is the one that PopArchivist linked to above. It's an import from the UK on
the Cherry Pop label.

Also, after listening to the "1985 Single Version" from the 2CD Set and listening to the 45 being played on YouTube from
Eternal Static's link, it's obvious that these two versions are not quite the same. For one thing, the original '84 version in
the video starts with two quick beats that aren't on the '85 Single. Also, the '85 version runs longer than the original 45
from 1984.I thought possibly the '85 Single Version could be the same as the '84 version but just longer and without the two
beats on the intro, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Both versions seem to have the same vocals from the group's original
line up, however.

Furthermore, I'm beginning to wonder if this "1985 Single Version" is labelled incorrectly. With one exception, Discogs only
shows 1985 releases for the song in the US in the 12" format, and none of those have any versions with the approx. 3:25 running
time of this version. The lone US 45 in 1985 is a promo (Arista AS1-9325) with a listed running time of 3:44, which is about 20
seconds longer than this "85 Single Version" runs. So I really don't know what to make of this particular version.

PopArchivist wrote: I didn't see discussion on this, but did the 1984 7'' version ever make CD or digital download? Does anyone know what the major difference between the 1984 and 1987 release is? I see it times in at 3:10 and says x-posed rather than expose. Return/release/4081358 ">https://www.discogs.com/X-Posed-Point-Of-No- Return/release/4 081358

EternalStatic wrote: Found a 45 rip on Youtube: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X7u4tma26kc&feature=youtu.be

abagon wrote: I have the compilation vinyl LP "Hot Hits" by K-Tel (released in 1988 U.S.) The LP includes "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)", "C'est La Vie", "Human", "Don't Dream It's Over" etc. "Point Of No Return" is also included. This actual running time is (3:52). It seems this is the edit version of the vinyl LP "EXPOSURE"(my LP is the Japanese product). The (3:52) version may be the sound from the Arista 9326. --abagon

The 45 version above is an edited version of the original 1984 Pantera mix:

https://www.discogs.com/release/3693693-X-Posed-Point-Of-No- Return

I kinda dig the rawness of it. The room reverb on the lead synth line is a vibe.

What's on that Hot Hits LP is a different edit from that same 12" version and
was mistakenly added to some copies of the Exposure album. Not sure for how
long or when it got replaced, but it was there and available digitally if you look
in the right places.

It's a shame that the original 12" and Part 2 dub aren't available digitally
anywhere.

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CherryPop is a UK reissue label, but I'm sure they realize that their sales will be worldwide and will especially attract American collectors.

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And I always wondered why you guys would always have
these great cd singles for these bands who were relative
flops in your country while, in America, we still only
got vinyl or cassette singles. Very annoying and
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We did get CD singles although this was a source of endless frustration at times as frequently the versions released in the UK were not the same mixes we would hear on American radio! I dread to think how much money I spent on ordering US Maxi CDs without knowing if the mix I was familiar with would be on there!
This happened with Paula Abdul's Opposites Attract, the mix played on the US station we received in the UK was the Magnetic Mix. Never released on CD in the UK. The same with Exposé's Tell Me Why. The version we got was a terrible club edit by Dakeyne. No wonder it never hit the charts!   There were many others.

1984 releases (Pantera Records)

The 1984 7 inch single had a printed time of 3:10, and an actual run time of about 3:10. Here's a YouTube video of that version.

The 1984 12 inch single had a printed time of 7:30 or 6:55 (depending on pressing), but ran 7:12. Here's a YouTube video of that version.

1985 releases (Arista Records)

Big hit on the dance charts, lots of airplay in New York City (where I was at the time), same vocalists as the 1984 Pantera releases but slightly different mixes/edits.

The 1985 commercial 45 (Arista AS1-9325) had a printed time of 3:20, and an actual time of 3:21.

The 1985 promo 45 (also Arista AS1-9325) had a printed time of 3:44. Discogs says: "Contains a longer stereo mix than the commercial version." I do have a version running 3:53 from TM Century's GoldDisc 153, which has the original vocalists and a slightly punched-up mix. It could be the 1985 promo 45 version, but I can't confirm.

The 1985 12 inch single (Arista AD1-9326) had a printed time of 5:40, and an actual time of 6:05. This version appeared on Rhino's Billboard Top Dance Hits 1985 (1998), where it may be taken from vinyl (do I hear a vinyl pop in the right channel at 5:59?) It also appeared on the first pressings of the 1987 vinyl Exposure LP (not on the Exposure CD). "Point Of No Return" was the second single from Exposure, after "Come Go With Me". I'd guess that the group hadn't yet finished (or maybe even started?) the 1987 rerecording when the LP was released.

There was no full Expose album in 1985.

1987 releases (Arista Records)

The 1987 7 inch single (Arista AS1-9579) had a printed time of 3:26, and ran 3:27. This was the pop hit version, and featured the new 1987 vocalists. The 1987 promo 45 was the same as the 1987 commercial 45. It's readily available on the Exposure CD (1987), the promo CD The Top Ten Hits Of Expose (1992), Expose's Greatest Hits CD (1995), and a bunch of pop various-artists compilation CDs.

The 1987 12 inch single (Arista AD1-9580) featured an "Extended Version" (printed 9:38; found on Dance Classics Pop Edition Vol. 8 Disc 2 (2012), a "Crossover Mix" (printed 5:45, actual about 5:43), and a dub mix titled "Dub Of No Return" (printed 6:30). All of the 1987 12 inch versions feature the 1987 vocalists. Some of 12 inch jackets say "All New Mixes" on the back.

The first pressings of the 1987 vinyl Exposure LP included the 1985 12 inch single version, with the original vocalists, running 6:05. Here's a YouTube video of the vinyl LP being played.

Later pressings of the 1987 vinyl Exposure LP included the 1987 7 inch single version (the pop hit). Here's a Discogs listing that shows "RE-1" in the matrix number on the B-side of the album, and a label with a printed time of 3:26.

All the pressings of the 1987 Exposure CD included the the 1987 7 inch single version (the pop hit).

I know, clear as mud.

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