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Thanks for the explanation why original looking 45 singles
of Buddy Holly and others were available in the late
1970's seemingly NOS, but the pressings didn't appear to
be legit Coral or Brunswick, the deadwax was not Decca. I
bought a copy of "Peggy Sue". Which was a dodgy pressing
but sounded decent.
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Originally posted by KentT KentT wrote:

Thanks for the explanation why original looking 45 singles
of Buddy Holly and others were available in the late
1970's seemingly NOS, but the pressings didn't appear to
be legit Coral or Brunswick, the deadwax was not Decca. I
bought a copy of "Peggy Sue". Which was a dodgy pressing
but sounded decent.


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Originally posted by Pat Downey Pat Downey wrote:

Tom Daly just sent me a detailed explanation of the history behind the release of Blueberry Hill which I thought everyone would enjoy reading:

The master for “Blueberry Hill” had splices in it that got stuck in the tape machine when the production master was dubbed that was used to cut the 45 rpm stampers. This same tape found its way to the master reel for the vinyl LP, This is Fats Domino. This is probably why everyone thinks that THE tape suffered damage, however the 78 rpm issues, released simultaneously with the 45s had no such issue, and it is the 78 rpm master that has been used since United Artists Records bought Imperial from Liberty, after Liberty had bought the label from Lew Chudd. Bob Hyde, who ran Capitol/EMI Music Special Markets when I first began mastering ERIC Records’ CDs, gave me the lowdown on the pedigree of those tapes a long time ago when we conversed about low-generation sources. To confirm what Bob had told me about the history of “Blueberry Hill,” I sought out a 78 rpm Imperial shellac disc, played it and what I heard confirmed what Bob had told me. The 78s had no trace of a tape snag anywhere in the recording where they occurred on the original 45s and the LP pressing of This is Fats Domino. Liberty/UA has always used the 78 rpm master tape for subsequent reissues, and only original red, orange or black label Imperial 45s and the aforementioned LP have the tape snag. Interesting sidebar: the master containing the snag had RIAA pre-compensation on it. The master for the 78 is flat. I just thought you might be interested in this info that will probably die with me if I don’t share it with someone else who cares. Bob Hyde has been gone for the past 15 years, so he won’t be sharing the info with anyone else!

Tom Daly



Sorry I took so long to provide this, but I'm not as healthy as I used to be and it takes time to locate stuff and get it dubbed. Here's a clean dub of a 78 rpm pressing of "Blueberry Hill" for your comparison.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wt3k7big2qmtv5p/Fats%20Domino%20-% 20Blueberry%20Hill%20%5B78%20rpm%20dub%5D.mp3?dl=0

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Tom Diehl mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I don't think it was ever explored.
Most (all?) CDs contain a "neither" version of "Blueberry Hill." As he said,
Imperial took a later part of the song and edited it into the earlier part. The
lyrics on those two parts are slightly different on the original. On the unedited
recording, the first time the line is sung, Fats sings "but all of those vows WE
made." The second time he sings it, the lyrics are "but all of those vows YOU
made."

Therefore, when Imperial edited the later part into the earlier part, the lyrics
became "vows YOU made" both times.

Anyone know if the original, unedited version appears on any CDs? All the
ones I checked are all the edited version. Here are the ones I checked:

Billboard Top R&B Hits 1956
Time Life Rock N Roll Era Vol. 14 1956
Time Life Solid Gold Soul Vol. 24 1956
Time Life Classic Love Songs of Rock N Roll Vol. 3
Heroes Of Rock And Roll

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You can add Fats' earlier They Call Me The Fat Man box to the list of "you"/"you" edited revisions.

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The US 78 has "we"/"you". (Confirmed in Tom Daly's 78 dub, and a separate red-label Imperial 78 dub on YouTube.)

The first pressings of the 45, with the glitch, also have "we"/"you". The glitch shows up right before the line with the word "we". The glitch also shows up on some foreign pressings of the 78. (Confirmed on a red-label Imperial 45 on YouTube, a black-label Imperial 45 on YouTube, and a black-label London UK 78 dub on YouTube.)

The later pressings of the 45, without the glitch, have "you"/"you". (Confirmed on black-label UA Silver Spotlight Series label dub on YouTube, a yellow-label LR Records 45 dub on YouTube, and a tan-label UA 45 dub on YouTube.)

If Imperial (or some other label?) really used the 78 master on later 45s, they would have "we"/"you", not "you"/"you". This seems to contradict Bob's story from above, unless someone can find a glitch-free 45 that has "we" at 1:05, not "you".

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I agree, Ron, that Bob must have been mistaken. All of the 45 dubs I've heard either have the glitch or have "you/you." It's also easy to spot where they spliced in the later part of the song. You can hear very brief tape dropouts (splices) at 1:03 and 1:07.
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Aaron, I stand corrected about The Complete Imperial Singles set, and updated my above post. It does, indeed, contain the usual "you/you" edit. Mea culpa.
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Yes most of Bob Hyde's time-line was correct, but he was
mistaken about the 78 master being used later. The 78
master was THE master. Once it got "snagged" or broken it
was repaired with the splice. To my knowledge, the
repaired master was the only one left in existence. All
later pressings of the Imperial 45, Spotlight 45s and all
subsequent vinyl LP and CD releases are the repaired one.

i'm still a bit incredulous that in 1956 they allowed
that snagged version to be released on so many copies. I
mean, are you kidding? How is anyone supposed to listen
to it like that?? Unbelievable.
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