anne murray - "you won’t see me"

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   my commercial 45 says "stereo" on the label, but in fact is mono... same is the case with "what about me" from 1973 (not top 40, but thought i'd mention it)... does anybody have a dj promo 45 which may actually have the 45 version of "see me" in stereo???  and, what was up with capitol records mis-labeling their 45's in the early 70's (a la "go all the way" and others???)...

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jrjr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 December 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jrjr Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: anne murray - "you won’t see me" Posted: 03 June 2007 at 12:07pm
	my commercial 45 says "stereo" on the label, but in fact is mono... same is the case with "what about me" from 1973 (not top 40, but thought i'd mention it)... does anybody have a dj promo 45 which may actually have the 45 version of "see me" in stereo??? and, what was up with capitol records mis-labeling their 45's in the early 70's (a la "go all the way" and others???)...

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2007 at 6:56pm
	John, I agree, it is a very iffy claim to say this 45 is in stereo. I just pulled out my mono/stereo promo for you, however, and gave both sides a listen. To me, the female background singers appear to me more dominant in my right headphone speaker on my stereo version, whereas they, predictably, sound exactly, "right down the middle" on the promo's mono side. We could easily start a new message board, naming it "Why did the label do it this way?" We could quickly cite hundreds of such issues, within days, I believe. But I kinda prefer this Board's current mentality, though, which is more like, "How do we recreate the original 45 version from our CD versions, warts and all?" This topic alone keeps me MORE than busy, my friend, without trying to speculate what the label execs might have been thinking back in the day. Whether their decisions were good or bad, it's now history, and that's what I try to concentrate on. The "You Won't See Me" "stereo" claim, however, in my opinion, is HIGHLY dubious at best. Edited by jimct

jrjr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 December 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jrjr Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:54pm
	jim, after reading your comments about "dubious" stereo on this song, i re-listened to my commercial 45, and to these ears it sounds mono, unless of course, it's in the nrrwst of stereo, e.g. "proud mary"...however, at about 2:22, on the "doo-doo's" fade out, it is in real wide stereo, similar to banilow's "it's a miracle" 45... some weird stuff goin' on in the editing room... i also think the 45 could not be created from the lp version, because they sound like different mixes altogther, esp. the vocals ("dry" on the 45)..

The Hits Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Hits Man Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 June 2007 at 12:49pm
	I just found the 45 and did a nice needle drop of it because it is a unique single mix. It is indeed stereo, but it's very narrow. They added overdubs and probably mixed them to the center, which is why the mix is so narrow. And, yes, it is different from the LP version and cannot be created from the LP version. I'm happy to have the 45 now because i've been wondering why the song on CD just doesn't sound right, like I remember it from the radio in 1974. So, I mastered my 45 and slipped it into my 1974 comp. Now everything is like 1974 again!


Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 June 2007 at 4:30pm
	"Anne Murray's Greatest Hits" has the song in very narrow stereo. It really does sound like a different mix than what is on her other CDs, much more like the 45.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 June 2007 at 5:23pm
	Came across a version from "Her Greatest Hits and Finest Performances" on CD from Reader's Digest. Matches the 45 label time of 3:07 but sounds mono or very narrow stereo.

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 156	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 June 2007 at 5:48pm
	<Came across a version from "Her Greatest Hits and Finest Performances" on CD from Reader's Digest. Matches the 45 label time of 3:07 but sounds mono or very narrow stereo.> I have this same CD but mine has the full-length 4 minute version in stereo. However, my Readers Digest CD says "Printed in Canada". Was yours printed in Canada or the US, eriejwg?

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 June 2007 at 5:55pm
	Actually, it was my Mom's disc. I'll have to check when I head over there again. I was able to create a (not too bad I think) 45 version matching the other file time wise.

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 156	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 July 2007 at 1:01pm
	<Actually, it was my Mom's disc. I'll have to check when I head over there again. > Eriejwg, have you been able to check this CD in the past month for the version of "You Won't See Me"? I'm just surprised Reader's Digest would go to the trouble of substituting a single mix for an album mix on one song on a 50-song set. And as I mentioned, mine has the 4-minute album version, so I was wondering if you could verify that your mother's CD has the single mix and what the catalog/pressing number is. Edited by EdisonLite

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 July 2007 at 3:21pm
	I read your post earlier today Edison and stopped by her house. She's done some cleaning over the last few months. She may have thrown some boxes out, as I tried searching for it to no avail.