Corey Hart - "It Ain’t Enough"

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   Pat, I disagree with what you're calling the "45 version" and "LP version" in the database. My "First Offense" vinyl LP has the exact same version that's been on 90% of the CDs out there, and I feel that the version on the "First Offense" CD should be labeled "alternate version" (specifically, it's the original Canadian version.) I bought this LP when "It Ain't Enough" was moving up the charts, so it's a pretty early pressing. (FYI - My inner ring # is ST-1-17117 Z-8.)

In fact, the DVD of Corey's videos has 2 videos for "It Ain't Enough" -- both differ visually and aurally, and the "alternate" version on that "First Offense" CD is what is listed as the Canadian version of the video.

It's possible that the original U.S. LP had the "Canadian" mix and that the single mix was subsituted onto the LP as "It Ain't Enough" moved up the charts - similar to what they did with "Greatest Love of All" and "Two Doors Down". If so, then "single version" and "album version" is still incorrect, as the majority of LPs would have the "single version" anyway.

But does anyone actually have an LP with the alternate/original Canadian mix?

My guess is that for the U.S. LP they went with what is on the "It Ain't Enough" 45, and that when they made the U.S. CD back in the '80s, there already existed a Canadian CD so they just used that as the master for the U.S. CD. (But I could be wrong...)

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EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Corey Hart - "It Ain’t Enough" Posted: 19 August 2007 at 9:17pm
	Pat, I disagree with what you're calling the "45 version" and "LP version" in the database. My "First Offense" vinyl LP has the exact same version that's been on 90% of the CDs out there, and I feel that the version on the "First Offense" CD should be labeled "alternate version" (specifically, it's the original Canadian version.) I bought this LP when "It Ain't Enough" was moving up the charts, so it's a pretty early pressing. (FYI - My inner ring # is ST-1-17117 Z-8.) In fact, the DVD of Corey's videos has 2 videos for "It Ain't Enough" -- both differ visually and aurally, and the "alternate" version on that "First Offense" CD is what is listed as the Canadian version of the video. It's possible that the original U.S. LP had the "Canadian" mix and that the single mix was subsituted onto the LP as "It Ain't Enough" moved up the charts - similar to what they did with "Greatest Love of All" and "Two Doors Down". If so, then "single version" and "album version" is still incorrect, as the majority of LPs would have the "single version" anyway. But does anyone actually have an LP with the alternate/original Canadian mix? My guess is that for the U.S. LP they went with what is on the "It Ain't Enough" 45, and that when they made the U.S. CD back in the '80s, there already existed a Canadian CD so they just used that as the master for the U.S. CD. (But I could be wrong...)

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 August 2007 at 10:24pm
	My USA promo-stamped album has a different mix than the USA single. Andy

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 August 2007 at 6:30am
	My vinyl LP has matrix number ST-1-17117-Z-1 and is a promo LP and is the same version that appears on the cd of "First Offense". Edison are you saying that your vinyl LP has what I call the 45 version on it? Are you sure that you don't have a Canadian pressing of the vinyl LP? It is always a possibility that the LP was mastered differently after the single "It Ain't Enough" became a hit so does anyone else care to share with us which version appears on your "First Offense" LP?

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 August 2007 at 12:19pm
	I checked and I do NOT have the Canadian pressing of the LP. It was made in Hollywood, CA. And yes, my LP has the version that's found on the "Singles", "Love Bites" and "Classic Masters" CDs. Is it possible that only the promo LPs have the alt version - since the only 2 people above who have the alt mix have it on a promo LP? Either way, since I bought my LP as "It Ain't Enough" was climbing the chart (and that there may be even more LPs with the single version than the first version), I'd say this should be described in the database the same way you describe "Two Doors Down" and Whitney's "Greatest Love of All" and that the terms "single version" and "album version" no longer apply. BTW, for anyone else who compares the versions, the intro melodies are VERY different from each other, so you don't have to play more than a couple seconds of a recording to know which version you've got.

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 August 2007 at 9:43am
	Actually, this isn't the same situation as Whitney's "Greatest Love of All" as both single and album versions were available on the "Whitney Houston" CD at different times. This is more like the Dolly Parton situation where on the LP, the LP version was quickly replaced with the single version as the single version was taking off (assuming anyone can confirm that what I'm calling the LP version for "It Ain't Enough" was ever actually on the commercial LP) -- and only one version of the song ever existed on the CD. The only difference is that in the Dolly situation, the CD contains the 2nd version, and in the Corey situation, the CD contains the first version.

NightAire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NightAire Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 September 2020 at 10:51pm
	I don't find them labeled as Canadian and American; I found Version 1 and version 2. I hear version one as having open picked chords in the intro, while version two has staccato picked rhythm notes. Which one is the U.S. single version? I'm still unclear from this thread and the database. Version One Version Two
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garye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 02 August 2017 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote garye Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2020 at 2:17pm
	I have a dub of the American 12 inch single. The bass has a 1 second line then the guitars kick in and it runs 3:28. And this is the version I heard on CHR radio so I consider this the American single and hit version. Edited by garye

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2020 at 2:18am
	I hope the following isn't confusing: The video that you (and YouTube) have labeled as "Version 2" is what's on the single and what was played on the radio and MTV-US. It was on the US vinyl LP "First Offense" (released in 1984 or according to Discogs, '83). At least this hit radio/MTV version is on MY LP, which has an inner ring # is ST-1-17117 Z-8. When I upgraded my vinyl LP of "First Offense" to CD in 1985 (the 1st time a US CD of this album was released), it had a version I wasn't familiar with. Not really sure what to call it - an "alternate" release? the original Canadian LP version? It wasn't on the US LP I had. It was new to me. In Canada the album first was released on CD format in 1983, 2 years earlier than the US - here's the link: https://www.discogs.com/Corey-Hart-First-Offense/release/122 27688 It's possible that the 1983 Canadian CD had this 'different' version. And the alternate mix could have very well been the single version in Canada - thus the other video for the song - labeled as "Version 1" on YouTube, which is both visually and aurally different. My only guess for the new video for the song (Version 2) was so that it would match the US version - what was on the US LP that I had, and the US 45. (I bought the LP as "It Ain't Enough" was climbing the charts, not during the run of "Sunglasses at Night"). I eventually found the "right" mix on CD on a various artist comp (Rhino's "Love Bites - More Romantic Power Ballads") and on the Corey Hart comp "Singles" - and then on later compilations. In summary, in the database, this mystery/alternate mix is only on one CD: "First Offense" - and it's labeled in the database as "original "First Offense" vinyl LP version". Does anyone here have an early version of the LP that DOESN'T match the hit version? (Maybe Pat??) BTW, an easy way to tell the difference between the two mixes is ... When the song really kicks in on the videos, the "alternate"/"non-hit" mix has a 4-note guitar pattern, then a long space (about 6 beats) before the guitar plays another note. The hit version (and video) has a different guitar sound that has 8 notes in a row, then a slight break (like half a second), then continues on with 7 more guitar notes in a row. I believe both videos start with 16 seconds of sound not found anywhere else except on the videos. Edited by EdisonLite

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2020 at 2:22am
	PS - If no one here (including Pat) has an LP with the non-hit version, that would be very interesting. Then the first presence of this alternate mix would be on the "First Offense" CD.

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 September 2020 at 2:27am
	PPS In an odd coincidence, I happened to come across (and play a little of) both "It Ain't Enough" videos about 10 minutes before coming across this thread. How bizarre is that? (I was looking for some lesser known Corey Hart songs on video - and these 2 came up - and I played the beginnings because I wanted to remind myself how the intros differed!)