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    Posted: 03 September 2008 at 11:07pm
FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD - "Relax"

The actual commercial 45 running time is (3:53), the listed time is "3:56" on the record label. (Island 7-99805)
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Been spending some more time with this song - not as simple as I thought.

The first time the 45 was released in the US, it stiffed, peaking at #67 in May 1984. That 45 was on purple-label Island 7-99805, printed 3:02, actual about 3:01, BPM starts at 115.0 ends at 114.9, designation of "EDIT", matrix number ST-IL-45980-1, copyright 1983 ZTT, Produced by Trevor Horn.

I can see why it tanked - it sounds like an unfinished mix, compared to what came later. It has no lead-in
"hiyaas", starts with the bass/drumbeats, lacks most of the sound effects like the "waterfall" before the "huh", and is missing the overdubbed "come!" at the end of the song and instead ends with a "hey!".

I know this edit/mix appeared on one of the Island 12" singles (I used to own it). It's also on the 2-CD The Island Story and The A-List Disc 28, where it's taken from vinyl. Not the hit mix - not even close.

Then, the extremely common 3:54 version, which I'm 99% sure is the album version (I'll need someone else to check this). In the break at 2:03, the line "don't do it" has no reverb on it.

This version shows up on:
  • a promo sampler called ZTT Backtrax (1998), where it's listed as "from the album WELCOME TO THE PLEASUREDOME" - that's why I think this is the album version
  • Razor & Tie's Awesome '80s
  • Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties - 1985
  • JCI's Only Dance 1985-1989
  • Columbia Germany's Pop And Wave Vol. 5
  • UK's Now 26
  • Iceland's Pottpett 80's
The song runs 115.2-115.3 BPM, start to finish, on all of these CDs.

There's a slightly different mix on a promo 45 - white label, ISLAND at top in colored block letter on black horizontal stripe, Island PR 695, printed 3:55, actual 3:54, 115.2-115.4 BPM beginning-to-end, Produced by Trevor Horn, Engineered by Steve Lipson, matrix number ST-PR-45797-1, same version in stereo on both sides.

The mix is overall punchier than the album version, and now the line "don't do it" at 2:03 has an echo on it.

This mix turns up on exactly one CD of mine - Time-Life's Modern Rock - 1984-1989, where it runs 114.9-115.0 BPM start to finish.

But that's not the commercial 45 version! There's an even more punched-up mix on the commercial 45!

My commercial 45 is blue label, "Island" in pink script at top, Island 7-99805 (same catalog # as original release!), copyright 1983 ZTT, Produced by Trevor Horn (no engineer credit), printed 3:56, actual 3:54, 115.2 BPM throughout, matrix number ST-IL-45719-1. I have two copies of the commercial 45, both with different picture sleeves (one has two marginally-clad people bound back-to-back in an uncomfortable-looking pose, and the other has black-and-white square graphics with "RELAX" and some other text in color on top of it - both say 1983 as the copyright date).

This, too, has an echo on the "don't do it" at 2:03, but on one of the echo'd "don't do it"s, there's an echoey kick-drumbeat. (There's another one at 0:16.) There may be more subtle mix differences, too, like the panning of some of the crazy accent percussion, but the echoey drumbeat is easiest to spot.

This commercial 45 version turns up on Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 13, where it runs a tiny bit slow at 114.7 BPM throughout. The echoey drumbeats at 0:16 and 2:03 are really pronounced in this version.

That's four versions of this song, three of which are incredibly similar and two of which I didn't even know existed until I started poking around...

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Wow, that's an amazing analysis of all the different versions of this song, Crap! What a labyrinth. At least the hit 45 version has been issued on CD.
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A listener of mine, Aaron E. from Australia, pointed out an error in my giant post from above. At the time of my post, I didn't have any full-length Frankie Goes To Hollywood CDs (and still don't, actually), and it led to my mislabeling two of the four versions. Thanks to Robert, Chuck, and Jeff, I can confirm the following:
  • What I called the "promo 45 mix" is actually the album version. It's also used on the promo 45, as reported above.
  • What I called the "LP version" is actually a 1993 remix from the Bang!... The Greatest Hits Of Frankie Goes To Hollywood CD, which was actually released as a single in the UK and hit the UK charts again. I didn't know any of this.
  • There are too many versions of the UK releases of the song to keep track of. Maybe I'll revisit all this in another 11 years.
That said, I will update the info from my post above.

Non-hit original 45 version

The first time the 45 was released in the US, it stiffed, peaking at #67 in May 1984. That 45 was on purple-label Island 7-99805, printed 3:02, actual about 3:01, designation of "EDIT", matrix number ST-IL-45980-1, copyright 1983 ZTT, Produced by Trevor Horn.

This version was actually the last three minutes of one of the 12" single versions (the 12" with a matrix ending in "-4U", according to Wikipedia). It's shorter than the other three later versions by about a minute, and is missing lots of the production flourishes that appeared on the later versions.

It appears on:
  • Island's 2-CD The Island Story (1987)
  • swaitek's promo 50-CD The A List Disc 28 (1994) - taken from vinyl
LP version

This version shows up as "Relax (Come Fighting)" in discographies.

Listen for lots of echo on the line "don't do it" at 2:03, while the backing track just repeats over and over without anything else happening.

The LP version turns up (unsurprisingly) on Island's Welcome To The Pleasuredome (copyright 1984, released 1985). The original pressing on Island 90232 is digitally identical to a rerelease on ZTT/Universal 53199. Both sound quite nice. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on:
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 13 1984-1989 (2000) - I believe that the Modern Rock series is entirely made up of LP versions, and this track is consistent with that belief
The LP version also appears on a promo 45: white label, ISLAND at top in colored block letter on black horizontal stripe, Island PR 695, printed 3:55, actual 3:54, Produced by Trevor Horn, Engineered by Steve Lipson, matrix number ST-PR-45797-1.

Hit 45 version

Listen for lots of echo on the line "don't do it" at 2:03, but on one of the echo'd "don't do it"s, there's an echoey kick-drumbeat. (There's another one at 0:16.) There may be more subtle mix differences between this version and the LP version, but the echoey drumbeat is easiest to spot.

This is the version that peaked at #10 in March 1985.

I only have one CD with the commercial 45 version: Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 13 (1994), which sounds quite nice.

1993 remix

This version shows up as "Classic 1993 Version" in discographies. It was released as a single in 1993 and charted in the UK.

Listen for no echo at all on the line "don't do it" at 2:03. Overall, this version feels more clear and less reverb-y than the LP and 45 versions from the '80s. The vocals are emphasized nicely, much like the 1992 Hollywood Records remix of "Under Pressure". For better or worse, this 1993 remix is the one that turns up on lots of compilations downstream.

This 1993 remixed apepared first on ZTT's Bang!... The Greatest Hits Of Frankie Goes To Hollywood (1993). The US and UK versions of this CD are digitally identical for this track. The same analog transfer is used on:
  • EMI Virgin PolyGram UK's 2-CD Now That's What I Call Music UK Vol. 26 (1993) - absolute polarity inverted (insignificant)
  • Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994)
  • Sony Germany's 2-CD Pop And Wave Vol. 5 (1994)
  • Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 2 1985 (1994)
  • JCI's Only Dance 1985-1989 (1995)
  • EMI-Capitol's 2-CD Entertainment Weekly Presents Smash Hits (1996) - digitally exactly 2.34 dB quieter than Awesome '80s
  • ZTT's promo ZTT Baktrax (1998) - digitally exactly 2 dB quieter
  • Skifan Iceland's 2-CD Pottþétt 80's 1 (1999)
  • Universal's Pure '80s (1999) - differently-EQ'd digital clone of Awesome '80s but with added compression and truncated fade; avoid
  • Disky UK's 8-CD More Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2000) - differently-EQ'd digital clone with added severe compression/limiting/clipping; avoid
  • Varese Sarabande's Totally Oldies Vol. 5 Then '80s (2003) - differently-EQ'd digital clone of Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 2 1985 with added compression/limiting; too loud and clips a lot; avoid
Of the discs listed above, everything not labeled "avoid" sounds about the same, with nice dynamic range, nice EQ, no truncated fade, and no evidence of noise reduction.

If you have a version on CD and need to identify it...

...you can identify it by tempo. Windows has a free program called MixMeister BPM Analyzer that can analyze .wav and .mp3 audio files to give values of tempo in BPM. Virtual DJ (and other DJ software) does similar stuff.
  • 114.7 BPM - Hit 45 version
  • 115.0 BPM and about 3 minutes long - Non-hit original 45 version
  • 115.0 BPM and about 4 minutes long - LP version
  • 115.3 BPM - 1993 remix
My recommendations

Non-hit original 45 version: Island's 2-CD The Island Story (1987)

LP version: Island's Welcome To The Pleasuredome if you want a FGTH CD, or Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 13 1984-1989 (2000) if you want a compilation

45 version: Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 13 (1994)

1993 remix: ZTT's Bang!... The Greatest Hits Of Frankie Goes To Hollywood (1993) if you want a FGTH CD, or Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 2 1985 (1994) if you want a compilation
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Incredible! Ron, thank you for your time spent figuring
out these versions of "Relax"!
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Fantastic post and analysis!

I am currently trying to re-create the original U.S. "Edit" (the non-hit mix) by taking it from the end of the "New York Mix" 12" Version as described above. It's easy enough, but I am wondering if someone with either The Island
Story
or the original 1983 U.S. 45 might be able to advise on whether this Youtube video indeed agrees with the edit in question correctly, specifically the very beginning of the track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhogBQibV6g

If so, then the way it was cut from the long mix is a bit annoying, as the edit keeps an odd number of beats (5) before the first chord change, when they could have easily taken the one additional beat prior to make it an even 6.
Personally, I may keep the extra beat for my own copy, but would just like to know what I'm dealing with for accuracy's sake. Thanks for any help!
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That's it.
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Ron—respectfully—I think you have made some errors here.

If I understand correctly, you claim you have a retail 7" with catalog number 7-99805 containing the 3:02 edit, with purple labels, and that this version is was what charted in mid-1984. And you claim to have once had a 12" with this edit on it, too.

I can't verify these claims, and I'm skeptical that you have access to extremely rare records that no one in 37 years of heavily collecting this thoroughly discographied band has ever noticed.

The actual situation with this song is much more mundane.

The first US release was on promo 12" (DMD 691) with yellow/aquamarine labels and a company sleeve, and also on retail 12" in the common retail "two bodies" sleeve (0-96975). This was in either late Dec. 1983 or early Jan. 1984. It hit the Billboard dance charts later in January 1984. The A-side contained the 3rd UK 12" version, which is the ~7:20 mix (I time it at a bit over 7:21); unlike the meandering, noodly version on the first two UK 12"s, this is a straightforward extended version, the first half of which is instrumental. The B-side contains the 3:54 single version (always "3:56" on the labels) which was the hit version in the UK and elsewhere, immediately followed by the 4:24 instrumental version, which has an acapella intro.

The video debuted on MTV in mid-February. There were no US 45s out yet. There is even an ad in an early March issue of R&R magazine which implies that only the 12" was available for radio stations to play the song from. That situation was quickly rectified, though.

• The 1st DJ copy (7-99805, teal skyscraper labels) says 3:02 and Edit, and this duration is correct. It is, as already mentioned, the last few minutes of the 12" A-side. This 45 appeared in approximately the 2nd week of March 1984. Cash Box mentioned it (w/3:02 duration) in their March 24th issue.

• The 2nd DJ copy (PR 600, stencil labels) says 3:56 and actually runs 3:54; they contain the standard hit single version, same as on the B-side of the 12". These came with a "Dear Programmer" card from late March or maybe early April 1984, essentially encouraging the play of this version instead of the dull 3:02 edit.

• The 3rd DJ copy (PR ̶5̶9̶5̶ 695 and 12" PR 696, stencil labels) say 3:55 and contain the 3:55 LP version, which as you have noticed is a very slightly different mix than the regular single version. The LP came out in October 1984 and these promos were not released until circa December 1984; they coincide with the debut of the new "checkerboard" picture sleeves for the 7" & 12", the back cover of which thanks fans for support of the November 1984 live shows.

• All [OK, most; see posts below] US retail 45s have catalog # 7-99805 and contain the hit single version; they say 3:56 and run 3:54. There are several label and sleeve variations. This single first charted on the Hot 100 at #84 and peaked at #67; this was in April & May 1984, so we know the retail 45 was out no later than April 1984. Due to a new promotional push announced in December 1984, it charted again at #70 in January 1985 and reached #10 that March.

Although the 3:02 version may have gotten US radio play in 1984, the far more common 3:54 version was out at the same time, was the only retail version, was the version in the video, and had been promoted to radio as the million-selling hit. It's likely that it was played just as much as the 3:02 first-promo version, if not more.

Meanwhile, Canada was the only region that got the 3:02 version on a retail 45. [apparently not; see subsequent posts...]

Trying to ascertain release dates by label & company sleeve designs is tricky. If you got a retail 45 of "Relax", it may have light-blue labels with pink script "Island" and purple rim text—this is the standard design Island US used in 1984 and early 1985. The sleeve will either be the original "two bodies" p/s, the "checkerboard" p/s, or the old pinkish/reddish company sleeve with blue script "Island" and ©1982 on the back. Or you might have the purple/skyscraper labels with green neon-style "Island". AFAIK these did not come in picture sleeves; they were only in the old pinkish/reddish company sleeve.

The skyscraper labels were the standard design in 1982 & 1983 and were resurrected in 1985 for the "Welcome to the Pleasuredome" single. The only other example of these labels on a post-1983 release is on "Relax". Given the ubiquity of the blue labels in 1984 and this special case for 1985, and the fact that the record got its second wind in 1985, I'm inclined to believe the purple/skyscraper-label copies are really from 1985.

The above is the result of a lot of research on my part, and I'm happy to share my info sources (most are online), but I wanted to keep this post fairly concise. If I've made any mistakes, I'm happy to admit it and make corrections; please share what you have.

Also, different topic here, but I don't think the 1993 release was a new remix made in 1993; it sounds way too much like it was just a shelved original-era mix that was unearthed in 1993 and became the version released on way too many compilations thereafter.

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A minor correction: The 3rd promo 45 is PR 695 (not PR 595).
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