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    Posted: 21 November 2008 at 8:00pm
Now a second lossless download site has sprung up. First there was MusicGiants, now we have HDTracks.com.

Their selection is very limited, with no major labels, but Sundazed is offering all their downloads on the site (as well as on MusicGiants), DRM-free on both, including some out-of-print titles. HDTracks also has the British ASV catalog, though with a pretty limited selection.

The exciting thing about HDTracks is it's all DRM-free, with your choice of FLAC, AIFF (both lossless), or 320kb MP3.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that they will eventually get rights to offer music from the major labels.
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Does MusicGiants have DRM on their files? What file types can you download from them?
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Does MusicGiants have DRM on their files? What file types can you download from them?


It does on most things. But these new Sundazed downloads have no DRM. It's up to the content provider. (Amazon, they have so much power, they can just make their demands of no DRM and the music companies all cave.)

MusicGiants files are all in Windows Media Lossless. You can burn each one up to CD five times. That's what I do with mine -- I just keep them on my computer until I've got enough tracks to fill up a CD, then I burn them to disc. Haven't hit five burns on anything yet, but one of these days I'll just burn myself all the backup copies I'm allowed, then delete the WMA files from my PC.


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Foo on Music Giants, when I tried to go there I got a message that you must use IE to use it. C'mon, it's not like Firefox is some weird, obscure browser...what's so difficult about writing html code that works on both? Zillions of other websites manage to do it just fine.
They won't be getting any of my business.

Ditto for sites that require the use of flash player (which is a huge security hole & source of annoying pop-ups...I refuse to install it).
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Brian, I know you're picky about ripping from burned CDs; however, you could get around the DRM by burning the disc and then ripping the song back to a wav file, correct? Or is there something that prevents you from being able to do this? I'm fairly clueless when it comes to DRM, since I buy all of my music on original CDs.
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Originally posted by Hykker Hykker wrote:

Foo on Music Giants, when I tried to go there I got a message that you must use IE to use it.


Yes, I admit that's very strange. I found that out too, as I just downloaded Firefox a couple days ago.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Brian, I know you're picky about ripping from burned CDs; however, you could get around the DRM by burning the disc and then ripping the song back to a wav file, correct? Or is there something that prevents you from being able to do this? I'm fairly clueless when it comes to DRM, since I buy all of my music on original CDs.


Mm, I'm nearly not as picky about ripping from burned CDs as I used to be. I had just heard unfounded "rumors" about errors and such that made anal-retentive me paranoid.

I actually don't have a problem with their DRM at all. I always rip the MusicGiants tracks from my burned CDs and then either burn them to a comp with the ripped .wav file or convert them to an MP3s for my Sansa.

I've bought over 200 tracks from MusicGiants over the past two years. I've been able to get a lot of my B-sides I'm looking for, and almost all the recent big hits as stand-alone singles, too, complete with 800x800 artwork.

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Originally posted by Brian W. Brian W. wrote:

I had just heard unfounded "rumors" about errors and such that made anal-retentive me paranoid.

Well, it's true that errors can occur. You've seen an example of this on a CD that I sent to you a while back. Honestly, the only time I've gotten errors while ripping burned CDs back to my hard drive were from CD-Rs that were either 1) burned on crappy media like Memorex circa 1998 (they may have gotten better, don't know) or 2) burned on someone else's equipment and my computer's drive has a hard time reading the disc even while playing at normal speed.

For discs that I've burned myself on good media (learned the hard way and bought Memorex in my early years), I can still play and rip them with no errors time and time again.

I'm guessing, then, based on your above post, that you can skate around the DRM by burning to CD-R and then ripping back to wav file?
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

I'm guessing, then, based on your above post, that you can skate around the DRM by burning to CD-R and then ripping back to wav file?


Yes, burning to CD gets rid of the DRM. You can then convert it to a .wav or other file and do what you want with it.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

   Honestly, the only time I've gotten errors while ripping burned CDs back to my hard drive were from CD-Rs that were either 1) burned on crappy media like Memorex circa 1998 (they may have gotten better, don't know) or 2) burned on someone else's equipment and my computer's drive has a hard time reading the disc even while playing at normal speed.


While I continue to be somewhat leery of storing anything irreplacable on CD-R, I've had minimal problems with them, and really most of those can be traced back to a funky CD writer in a computer I had in the early 00's.

I have also not had very good luck with CDs made on a component CD writer...CDs made on this will play on some players, and not on others.
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