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"Mr. Big Stuff" - Jean Knight |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Jim reports the actual and printed commercial 45 run time of Jean Knight's "Mr. Big Stuff" is 2:27. I'm passing this along because database CD times run from 2:27 to 2:33.
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Just noticed on two of the 45 length copies I own, part of
the vocal on the fade from 2:23 to 2:27 is buried in the mix, whereas on the 45 the vocals are up front. The two CD's I checked are: Have A Nice Decade: The 70's Pop Culture Box Can You Dig It: The 70's Soul Experience Can anyone share similiar findings? |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The track from Rhino's Soul Hits Of The '70s Vol. 5 is the same as the two CDs you cited, John. It matches the stereo side of my mono/stereo DJ 45.
In comparing the fades on the stereo and mono sides, it's obvious that the mono isn't a fold-down. On the stereo side, the vocal is faded out sooner than the backing track, to the point where the vocal is barely (and I do mean barely) perceptible at all from 2:24 to 2:28. At the same time, the backing track continues to fade in a normal, gradual curve, making it sound like Jean has already left the building. On the mono side, the vocal fades out at the same rate as the backing track, resulting in a plainly-audible additional "you're never gonna break m..." up 'til the very quick dumping of the fade just shy of the 2:28 mark. For all intents and purposes, these same last couple of sung words are not audible on the stereo side. |
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The Hits Man ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The 45 length, in stereo, with vocals, intact can be found
on "Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials: On The Radio, Volume 6" on Varese Vintage. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Revisiting this song, I noticed that in listening to
several mono 45's on YouTube, there is some vocal reverb throughout the song. Everything that I've found digitally, the vocals are dry with no reverb. Is this a mix difference? What about the vinyl LP? |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Vinyl LP is Stereo, and sounds like the CD. Mono mix is
dedicated, and different. Not a fold. |
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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Pat,
Does this warrant a notation of 'LP mix' in the database? |
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Yes!
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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LP version, which is stereo (2:43)
I believe that the LP version first turned up on CD on Original Sound's Oldies But Goodies Vol. 5 (1986). It sounds pinched and weird, with a screwed-up soundstage, and 60 Hz hum throughout. Avoid at all costs. Infinitely better is Heartland/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Feel Good Rock (1989), which has a reasonable EQ, a nice soundstage, and no evidence of noise reduction. Better still is Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 12 1971 Take Two (1990), which has all of the advantages of the Feel Good Rock, but seems to use slightly lower-generation source tapes. The same analog transfer is used on:
I don't have any of the CD on the Stax label, so I can't comment on those. Of the CDs in my limited library, I prefer Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 12 1971 Take Two (1990) for the LP version. LP version faded early, stereo Stax's 9-CD Complete Stax/Volt Vol. 2 Disc 7 (1993) fades the LP version early to 2:33. Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 6 (2000) fades the LP version early to 2:28. These versions didn't exist when the song was a hit in 1971; avoid. Commercial 45 version, which is mono; also on mono side of promo 45 (2:27) It's a dedicated mix, not a fold-down, and can't be created from any other version of the song. Unavailable on CD, unfortunately. Stereo promo 45 version (2:27) This, too, is a dedicated mix different from the LP version. As noted above, Jean's vocals are mixed down before the rest of the instrumentation, so it sounds like she left the session early. Surprisingly, the stereo promo 45 version does turn up on CD. It first appeared on Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1971 (1990). Sound quality is excellent, which is what we'd expect from Rhino. The same analog transfer is used on:
My preference for the stereo promo 45 version is Rhino's Billboard Top R&B Hits 1971 (1990). |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Just wanted to add my 2 cents here. About 10 years ago,
I picked up an obscure 2005 Audio Fidelity CD called 'Hal Lifson Presents Music For Lonely Housewives' mastered by Steve Hoffman. This disc isn't particularly much of a winner as far as compilations go (they used a re-recording of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" instead of the more familiar hit version), but the tracklisting was interesting and I figured it was worth checking out since it was a cheapie bargain bin item anyhow. They were definitely trying to jump on the "Desperate Housewives" band-wagon but they missed the mark in more ways than one. ANYWAY... assuming Steve Hoffman sourced all these songs from existing collections and just tweaked the EQ to his liking, the version of "Mr. Big Stuff" on here sounds like it came from the same transfer that was used on the "Sounds of The Seventies" disc but the fidelity sounds a bit better due to the EQ that was applied. The highs are much more crisp and less murky- sounding. I used this CD as the source for my own collection, though I applied some of my own EQ to it to further suit my personal tastes (happy to share with anyone here for comparisons sake). |
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