Ray Parker Jr. - "The Other Woman"

I agree that the Cornerstone Promotions cd does include the LP version.

Pat,
I think this song should have "length" designation. Because the 45 can be recreated from the LP by only a fade-out.

--abagon   

Well, in that case, I suppose you should change a bunch of designations from "length" to version. For example, "Love Her Madly" by the Doors is listed as "length," but there are additional vocals, a drum fill and a piano solo on the fadeout that all happen after the 45 fades out.

How about Hall & Oates? Lots of their songs are lengths but could be considered "versions" by your definition. Look at "One On One," where on the LP there are vocal ad libs ("you and me...you and me...") and an instrumental passage that is not found on the 45, because the 45 had faded before this point.

Wouldn't it be easier and clearer to the readers if you simply made the rule that no matter what follows, if the 45 is identical to the LP from start to finish, except that it fades early, it should be a "length"?

Wow! After all these years, I had NEVER heard the cold ending. This video is a playback of the 12" single, but it has the full ending. Very cool!

Full Ending on This Video

Edited by Jody Thornton

Pat Downey wrote: Back to the question I seem to answer every day. The ending of the LP version has a cold ending featuring a saxophone solo while the 45 fades out before the saxophone. My definition of LP version is that yes you may be able to fade the LP to generate the 45 but there in reality is a difference between the 45 and LP so I call it an LP version not LP length.

Wow, Pat, in all these years I never knew this was one of the ways you deciphered between version and length! I have to agree with what Aaron said in the post following your post. In fact, I think most "lengths" could be changed to "versions" by this rule - because in most fadeouts there's usually SOMETHING unique in there - an instrument lick like an electric guitar part, an instrumental section that fades, a vocal ad lib, a drum riff, a keyboard part, etc. But of course, I don't think you should change all the "lengths" to "versions" because of this. That would take away an aspect of your database I've always found very useful. I've always, rather wrongly, assumed that if I could simply fade the LP early and get the 45, it would be designated in your database as "length", and if I couldn't, it wouldn't. Now I know that's not the case. There may be many examples where I can fade the LP to 45, but your database lists "version" because there's, say, a saxophone part, a guitar lick, maybe even a harmonica solo, after the 45 fade point would have ended - but it's still listed as "version". WOW - that is so confusing to me. If I see "version" listed in the database, I guess I'll always have to ask on this board if it can faded to the 45 length, because if so I don't want to buy a new CD when I already have a CD that I can simply fade to get the exact 45 (i.e. 45 length.)

But just so I understand your treatment, Pat, when does a recording that we readers may deem a "45 length" go back to being a "45 version" because of something that happens after the 45 faded? For instance, above you mentioned a sax solo. Does this mean if there's any new instrument added? What if it's an instrument that was already heard in a previous part of the record but it's a new solo? And what about vocal ad libs that weren't in the song before? I assume you'd still go with "length" on that one, but I'm not sure, so is that correct?

FYI, I'm not asking this in any snarky or sarcastic way. I sincerely want to have a better understanding of what circumstances a 45 can be generated from fading the LP early but not be listed as "length"? Because this info is new to me. (I never even read this particular Ray Parker Jr. thread before.) Thanks Pat.

It's your database, Pat, and you can make decisions how you see fit. We have to respect that. You've put an amazing amount of hard work into the database and I am eternally thankful for all that you (and people on this board) have contributed. But when it's a gray area issue like this, I guess we posters can put up extra info in the posts, so that there's a clearer picture of how a 45 can be created.

Actually, in the case of this particular song, is it a "45 length" (because it can be faded to the 45) and an "LP version" (because something unique happens after the 45 faded out)? Again, I'm really confused.


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