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    Posted: 14 August 2015 at 11:24am
I remember hearing some "in-house" radio edits back in the day for long songs that weren't issued as promo 45s (several Elton John hits spring to mind). Now, I realize that these edits were in no way "official" and are very difficult, if not impossible, to track down today. However, have any of the skilled editors here ever tried their own custom edits on some of these hits? If so, I'd be curious to hear some of the results.
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I know that Aaron reproduced an edit of "99 Luftballons" and "99 Red Balloons", to mimic an edit originally done by American Top 40. But I can't think of many others.

I'm sure there were in-house edits of "Isn't She Lovely", but I haven't attempted to reproduce any of them.

I think we discussed "Erotic City" by Prince on the board, but I don't think we ever attempted the in-house edits that Z100/New York or WPLJ/New York used. Z100 used a snare thwack to replace the bad words; WPLJ cut out every full line of the song that included a bad word, making for a weird-sounding song structure.

We can't really reproduce the customized edits for "We Built This City" or "Hot In The City".

I started listening to the radio around 1979, and I don't remember any songs being trimmed for length after that period.
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I did for some of the WLS versions of Elton John's mid-1970s stuff.
The one for "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" stands out--they took a
large chunk of the song out from about the (4:15) mark to the "someone
saved...someone saved...someone saved my life tonight" ending, then
sped it up.
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<I'm sure there were in-house edits of "Isn't She Lovely">

I did an edit on "Isn't She Lovely" - turns out that what was later used on the UK version of the "Song Review" CD was very close to what I did.

I've done edits of other long songs, though none of Elton John's, but Paul you didn't mention any other songs specifically. Were there specific ones you had in mind?
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I'm thinking mainly of 1970s songs that were over 6 minutes or so.

Some examples:
Do You Feel Like We Do - Peter Frampton
Papa Was A Rollin' Stone - Temptations
Someone Saved My Life Tonight - Elton John
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - Elton John
Philadelphia Freedom - Elton John
All My Love - Led Zeppelin

Also, some 1980s hits like "Paradise City" by Guns N' Roses, and "One More Try" and "Father Figure" by George Michael.

I've been on an "official radio edit" kick lately and it just seems to me that some of these super-long singles are crying out to be shortened a bit!
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Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:

I did for some of the WLS versions of Elton John's mid-1970s stuff.
The one for "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" stands out--they took a
large chunk of the song out from about the (4:15) mark to the "someone
saved...someone saved...someone saved my life tonight" ending, then
sped it up.


Doug, those are the some of the exact ones I had in mind. I'd love to hear those sometime!
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I know that I received a Paradise City or Patience edit (I can't recall) from someone in this group (I would say probably Aaron or Ron) a while back.

Also like Ron said, Aaron replicated the AT TOP 40 version of "99 Luftballons" and "99 Red Balloons" which was slightly different than the one played in NY, which I was able to replicate using Aaron's edit (just one minor change).
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Originally posted by Paul Haney Paul Haney wrote:

Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:

I did for some of the
WLS versions of Elton John's mid-1970s stuff.
The one for "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" stands out--
they took a
large chunk of the song out from about the (4:15) mark to
the "someone
saved...someone saved...someone saved my life tonight"
ending, then
sped it up.


Doug, those are the some of the exact ones I had in mind.
I'd love to hear those sometime!


Me too.
The station I did weekends at in 1975 also played a house
edit of that, I kick myself for not making a dub of it.
Don't recall exactly what got cut out, but I do remember
our production director leaving IN the "it's 4:00 in the
morning, dammit", which other edits I've heard removed.

In 1969 WRKO in Boston did an interesting edit of
"Suite:Judy Blue Eyes". I can only guess that they got
wind that this would be the next single and wanted to scoop
the competiton, but 7:20 was way too long so they made a
custom edit of the album version which they continued to
play even after an official single was issued. They cut
out the whole "Tuesday morning, Sunday in the afternoon
part. I have a re-creation of it if anyone's interested
(referenced from an off-air recording of their edit).
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There is an edit of "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" which gets
played on our local classic hits station which closely describes what
you are mentioning. The station is an affiliate of the Cumulus "Classic
Hits" format, so apparently this homemade edit is still in use nationally,
at least on Cumulus stations.
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I've done tons of custom edits for my own car CD listening and in-house music system listening. Some are imitations of custom edits I've heard over the years, or of promo edits I can't seem to find at all. Many times, I much prefer my own edits.

Songs include:

No Reply At All - Genesis (refrain before third verse removed)
Rapture - Blondie (an LP Edit similar to Stereo Rock)
Celebration - Kool and the Gang (an edit similar to Stereo Rock. Only once do they sing "Yahoo" on each chorus)
Don't Stand So Close to Me - Police (final four measures of instrumental break removed, and intro fades up just before light percussion begins)
Passion - Rod Stewart (an LP Edit similar to Stereo Rock, where the final eight measures of the piano intro are removed, and the second refrain is down to a single instance)
De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da - Police (intro and first chorus spliced in half)
(Just Like) Starting Over - John Lennon (an edit similar to Stereo Rock, whereby the sustained "Somehwere..." and the drums are overlapped, removing the silence)
Do You Really Want to Hurt Me - Culture Club (turns out that it's identical to the promo single removing the long instrumental section. However, I never ever knew this was actually issued as a promo record. I thought Stereo Rock just created the custom edit at the second last "Make me cry". Things you learn on this forum)
Turn it On Again - Genesis (imitation of an edit on a British compilation, whereby the intro starts after "1, 2, 3, 4..." and the instrumental section before the final repeat chorus is halved)
She's Out of My Life - Michael Jackson (remixed in a sustained note of strings lightly overtop of the first line of the second verse "She's out of my hands...". I always recalled hearing something else there back when the song was released in 1980, but never found a record that sounded as I remembered it.
Dirty Laundry - Don Henley (it appears that I must have heard a custom edit, because no one here can corroborate the existence of a promo that halves both of the guitar solos....hmmmmm. Oh well, that's what I ended up doing)

There must be dozen and dozens more, but that's a start...lol


Edited by Jody Thornton
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Jody Thornton
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