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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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There are two different stereo mixes of the 4 seasons
song Big Man In Town. I call the 2nd (the Edizione D Oro) as the 1968 remix. As far as I can tell they are from the same session tapes. A little history, the original 4 Seasons albums on Philips are a mixture of mono and stereo tracks. Generally speaking the singles are represented in mono and the album cuts are stereo. That was because Bob Crewe mixed the hit singles and the mono albums, whereas many times a studio engineer would mix the stereo album tracks. There are a few exceptions... Big Man In Town originally appeared on the stereo Philips album "Let Us Entertain You" in a typical three track mix. All the music in the left track, background vocals on the right and Frankie's lead centered. That version also appeared on the Gold Vault of Hits vinyl reissue. On September 17, 1968 Bob Crewe submitted these alternate stereo versions of 4 Seasons hits for use on the Edizione Del Oro vinyl 2 album set. This was requested by Philips as the ED release was to be the first Greatest Hits album to only be issued only in stereo by the group. He quickly remixed or used some old unused alternate versions..most are missing vocal parts or musical overdubs. Apparently he had a good multi track tape on Big Man so he remixed it to sound better, with better balance. Occasionally on CD reissues they substitute original tracks on various albums with these ED alternate versions. Especially when the original album had a mono (hit) version. I don't have a large collection of 4 Seasons CDs but it appears on the few that I have checked.. they used the standard stereo LP version (three track mix). When ACE made a release titled "Edizione D Oro" they placed Big Man In Town in mono. Whether it is the mono single, mono album version or a fold down..I don't know. But apparently they did not realize the viyl album had a unique mix. Here's a run down of the 1968 remixes: A8 Ain't That A Shame [ALTERNATE TAKE] 2:33 better known as the stereo underdub version (missing Nick Massi's vocals). B1 Dawn (Go Away) [ALTERNATE EDIT] 2:11 This is the original version recorded at Atlantic studios with Tom Dowd engineering. Between the time the song was recorded for Atlantic and finally issued on Philips, Bob Crewe decided to add the "Pretty as" intro direct to the mono master with Frankie singing over Tommy DiVitos guitar strumming. This is mentioned in Charles Calello's book page 102. However Valli has been performing the ED version on stage at live concerts for years. B3 Big Man In Town [ALTERNATE MIX] 2:44 All vocals are centered in the mix, with instruments split in stereo. B5 Save It For Me [ALTERNATE TAKE] The organ and vocals are different than the hit version. B6 Girl Come Running [ALTERNATE TAKE] 3:00 Missing opening vocals C1 Rag Doll [UNIQUE STEREO RELEASE] 3:00 C4 Let's Hang On [ALTERNATE TAKE] 3:09 Missing opening vocals D4 Silence Is Golden [UNIQUE STEREO MIX] 3:03 Previous issues were mono or rechanneled. |
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C J Brown ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Great rundown. If I understand you correctly all the rundowns listed in your post what appeared on the original Edizione D Oro vinyl.
If so does anyone know how the ACE CD of the same title differs? |
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Paul,
Your labeling may confuse future readers...the following tracks are alternate MIXES, not alternate takes on Edizione D'oro: Save It For Me (alternate MIX featuring different music break) Ain't That A Shame (as indicated, an underdub) Let's Hang On (was the stereo debut of the hit take) Girl Come Running (alternate MIX featuring vocals in the intro that were mixed out of the 45) An alternate "take" means a different vocal performance. Thanks for the info on "Big Man In Town" - I didn't know the one on ED was remixed! MM |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yes my remarks were about the Edizione D Oro vinyl.
Very poorly and was not on the market long. The front cover claimed STEREO in capitol letters and further had the boxed comment, that it contained tracks not previously issued on CD. Both were misleading. The original album had 28 of the 29 songs in stereo and the alternate mixes mentioned above. ACE had 5 stereo cuts. The complete ED will be featured in the 40 plus CD release planned for next year. Mastering from actual tapes is underway now. Here is a rundown of the tracks and you will see some of the rare or unique versions.. mentioned above are not included. This does not address how many of the mono tracks are fold-downs from stereo. The 4 Seasons Edizione D’Oro Ace CDCHD-642 "Sherry" (2:31 mono - sl. static) "Big Girls Don't Cry" (2:25 mono) "Walk Like a Man" (2:15 mono - sl. dist.) "Candy Girl" (2:35 mono - dull) "Marlena" (2:32 mono) "Peanuts" (2:20 mono) "Ain't That a Shame!" (2:34 stereo) under dub "Dawn (Go Away)" (2:34 stereo) "Stay" (1:55 mono) "Big Man in Town" (2:46 mono - sl. hum) "Alone" (2:51 mono - sl. static) "Save It for Me" (2:34 stereo) "Girl Come Running" (2:59 stereo) "Ronnie" (2:57 mono) "Rag Doll" (3:00 mono sl. hiss) "Bye, Bye, Baby (Baby Goodbye)" (2:31 mono) "Toy Soldier" (2:31 mono sl. dist.) "Let's Hang On" (3:18 stereo - abrupt edit to stereo at :22) The Wonder Who? - "Don't Think Twice" (2:57 mono) "Working My Way Back to You" (3:02 mono) "Opus 17 (Don't You Worry 'Bout Me)" (2:32 mono) "I've Got You Under My Skin" (3:47 mono) "Beggin'" (2:52 mono) "C'mon Marianne" (2:32 mono) "Connie-O" (2:26 mono) "Silence Is Golden" (3:08 mono) |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Not true Mark, check your vinyl copy (which my comments were based on) it does not include the "There Ain't No Good" intro..it starts instrumentally. So I guess it's an under dub. The crappy ACE issue edited that line from the mono single onto the stereo mix. |
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