Police-Don’t Stand So Close To Me

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   Both the stereo & mono sides of my promo 45 have a listed time of (3:20), list "Edited Version", and both have an actual run time of (3:36). Deadwax for stereo side: (very lightly) AM 2301 A (now darker) AM 02295 A DJ; finshing again with a light, loopy "S"3.

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Police-Don’t Stand So Close To Me Posted: 15 May 2006 at 7:12pm
	Both the stereo & mono sides of my promo 45 have a listed time of (3:20), list "Edited Version", and both have an actual run time of (3:36). Deadwax for stereo side: (very lightly) AM 2301 A (now darker) AM 02295 A DJ; finshing again with a light, loopy "S"3.

sriv94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote sriv94 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2006 at 9:10pm
	Is the edit at the very beginning?
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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2006 at 9:19pm
	Yes, Doug. Hard to be absolutely precise with the very soft fade-in of my promo, but the Box Set has a :36 intro before the start of Sting's vocal; only :12 or :13 on the promo; seems A&M kept the VERY beginning of the fade-in; then just cut out the remaining intro, right up to the vocal. Edited by jimct

sriv94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote sriv94 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2006 at 9:35pm
	Interesting. Not having the original LP or commercial single (so I can't compare), the full-length CD version seems to have a little surface pop just before the guitar leading into Sting's vocal kicks in (this again being the Every Breath You Take: The Classics CD). Wonder if that was present on the vinyl LP or 45.
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 115	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2006 at 11:57am
	Let me see if I've got this, Jim. On the intro at (0:07), you hear a faint guitar melody. Right after that, you hear a very faint rhythm (which is probably some kind of time/rhythm keeper being heard through the headphones of the drummer). Then there is a slight feedback noise, and on the promo it cuts to the hi-hat tap right before Sting's vocal? Keeping rhythm, the most logical place for the edit would have to be on the hi-hat tap, which you can match to the faint time keeper heard in the intro. I made my edit on the "one" count of the rhythm. Does that sound about right? My end result was just a hair short of (3:36), using the version from The Classics.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 May 2006 at 6:36pm
	Aaron: I follow your description, and it's sounding right on - they did exactly what you said, regarding the cut to the hi-hat tap right before Sting's vocal. Having my volume up FULL, I believe I hear one to seconds of keyboard fading in before I hear the first faint time-keeper, but it also sounds a lot like an empty-sound lead groove with some vinyl surface noise - it's just SO faint. If I give maximum "time credit" to this early keyboard and the VERY faintest hint of time-keeper, it could be more like :14 to even :15 to Sting. I know you're trying to do a re-creation; I know you require painstaking detail on this. Aaron, don't quibble if you're within 2 seconds on this - any differences are coming from exactly WHEN the faded into starts to be heard, and then timed.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 115	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 June 2006 at 7:15am
	Thanks to Jim, I was just able to hear the promo 45 version. Making an edit on the intro as I suspected earlier will NOT give you this promo version. It sounds as if the intro on this version is a unique mix that cannot be edited using the LP version. I'll have to check more carefully to be sure, but it sounds as if the intro is simply fading in before the vocal starts (as if the first half of the intro before the drums start was chopped off). The reason I say it sounds like a unique mix is because about half way through the fade in, it sounds like the bass drum is at full volume, while the rest of the instruments are still only at half volume and still fading in. Edited by aaronk

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 115	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 June 2006 at 12:45am
	OK, upon listening to the promo version more carefully and removing some ground hum that was present, it seems plausible that you could re-create this version by fading in the LP version. My initial speculation of the intro being mixed differently is most likely just a difference in EQ. Essentially, it's a very soft (barely audible for the first four or five seconds) fade in, which starts just after the point where the drums kick in on the LP (about 13 seconds before the vocal). This fade in remains fairly low throughout the entire fade (50% or less) and then quickly hits 100% in the last few split seconds before the vocals come in. Overall, it's not a very impressive "edit" job. In fact, since this was designed for radio, it's much worse than just going with the full-length LP/45 version. The audio on the fade in is so low, it fights with the surface noise of the record to be heard. What DJ wants to deal with a record that you can't even find the cue up point?

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 July 2008 at 7:27pm
	Pat: The database comments for the Police's "Don't Stand So Close to Me" currently state that commercial 45 copies all run 4:00. You might also want to add that the commercial 45 does not run 4:03 as stated on the record label.

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 July 2008 at 12:26am
	My stock commercial copy (A&M 2301-S) has the running time of (3:58), but the listed time is "4:03" on the record label.