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    Posted: 25 September 2022 at 12:04pm
This question might be for Paul Haney. In my attempts to gather and then
make playlists of the Billboard Yearend song’s charts, I have come across an
anomaly with 1966. I’ve found two different charts, one with The Mamas and
the Papas “California dreaming“ as #1 (which is what the Dec 24 1966
Billboard magazine chart shows), however another list shows Staff Sergeant
Barry Sadler‘s “The Ballad of the Green Berets“ as number one. Can anyone
shed any light on this?

I know the charts themselves are not the best representation of the songs for
each year as the songs at the end each year are severely penalized (many
billboard number ones and other big hits don’t even appear on a billboard year
end chart!), however they are what they are.




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I've also noticed at least two differences in the
Billboard year-end lists on Wikipedia and what was played
on the American Top 40 year-end countdowns. For instance,
in 1973, Kris Kristofferson's "Why Me" was #2 on the AT40
year-end, but is listed at #6 for the year on Wikipedia.
In the AT40 year-end for 1977, Andy Gibb's "I Just Want
To Be Your Everything" is #1, but the listing from
Billboard on Wikipedia has it at #2 for the year, with
Rod Stewart's "Tonight's The Night (Gonna Be Alright)"
being #1. Don't know how those discrepancies occured
since AT40 was based on Billboard.
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Those AT40 countdowns do not use Jan. through the end of
Dec. chart stats to tabulate their year-end countdowns.
AT40 usually included the chart statistics through the end
of November and then started the process of tabulating
their countdown. The only way they could have gone from the
first week of the year to the final week was to tabulate
and air their year-end shows in January of the following
year once all 52 weeks' charts were available.
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Quote Those AT40 countdowns do not use Jan. through the end of
Dec. chart stats to tabulate their year-end countdowns.
AT40 usually included the chart statistics through the end
of November and then started the process of tabulating
their countdown.


I know, I've heard Casey Kasem mention that at the end of the year-end countdowns that air on iHeart Radio. What I'm saying is that I thought AT40 just
aired what Billboard printed.
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Sorry, I was hoping to learn about the BILLBOARD yearend chart, as published
in BB magazine at the end of each year.
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I can't help, but I can give you more information.



It wasn't just 1966 that has this glaring discrepancy - 1963, too.



For the record, the chart topped by the Mamas and Papas was physically
printed by Billboard magazine at the time (12/24/66 issue), so for years, it was
'canon'.



The SSgt Barry Sadler chart started to circulate around the internet about 20
years ago and I believe it is now recognized on Wikipedia as "canon". (Unless
it's been changed back - I'm going by when I researched all this about a year
ago).



Seems that while it is by now widespread, the new charts have never officially
been recognized or published by Billboard.



So where did they come from? Google around enough and you will find that in
the 70s, the Billboard chart department re-ran any year-end that didn't seem
accurate ('63 and '66 to their eye) and circulated the revised charts
INTERNALLY. The story goes that these charts leaked out over the years,
leading to the current confusion.



Not sure if that's the real story, but its what I've heard.


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As Jesib said, the version with "California Dreamin'" at
#1 was what was originally published in Billboard (BB) in
1966.

The version with "The Ballad of the Green Berets" was a
revised version that BB sold as part of a Research Packet
starting around 1970 through the early 80s. It was never
printed in a BB issue. They did revise 1963 as well. The
Research Packets has correction for 1972 and 1975, but
they were not completely redone like 1963 and 1966.

The revised versions turned up over the years on the
internet. While I don't have any of the BB Research
Packets to tell for sure, I have seen a lot of changes
from what was published in BB in the Wikipedia postings.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Haney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2022 at 4:02am
It appears that David's original question has been answered. As far as AT40 goes, there are some years
where the AT staff did their own calculations.

For the record, Joel Whitburn never really cared for those year-end charts. It was the main reason he
decided to publish the Pop Annual, which is based mainly on peak position. Joel's argument was that a
higher peak position was always better. There are certainly lots of different formulas that can be applied.
when compiling such lists.
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This is great information, thanks. I never knew the listings that I saw online for
years was not what appeared in the original BB magazine (for 1963 and 1966
in particular).

Yeah, as I mentioned the Year-end charts suffer greatly by not taking into
account songs that peaked towards the end of the year. However, they are "a
part of history" and that makes it interesting for me.

Further to what Paul states about how the (great) Pop Annual came to be, I've
actually computed the yearend rankings for songs based solely on chart
position, taking no "bonuses" into account. Interesting seeing those listings as
opposed to Pop Annual and BB Yearend.

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I can confirm that the Billboard year-end Research Packets they sold did have 'some' changes from the year-end charts as published. I bought the singles and albums packets from Billboard (late 70s?) and observed the differences, I want to say some as late as the mid 70s even, if my memory is correct (too lazy to pull them out and look at them, ha). I didn't write down the discrepancies.

In a related vein, Fred Bronson recalculated the year-end charts for his book "Billboard's Hottest Hot 100 Hits", based on putting records that were split into 2 years into just 1 year, so they weren't penalized by being split. That does seem most fair, and what Record Research did with their annuals.

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