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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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This question might be for Paul Haney. In my attempts to gather and then
make playlists of the Billboard Yearend song’s charts, I have come across an anomaly with 1966. I’ve found two different charts, one with The Mamas and the Papas “California dreaming“ as #1 (which is what the Dec 24 1966 Billboard magazine chart shows), however another list shows Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler‘s “The Ballad of the Green Berets“ as number one. Can anyone shed any light on this? I know the charts themselves are not the best representation of the songs for each year as the songs at the end each year are severely penalized (many billboard number ones and other big hits don’t even appear on a billboard year end chart!), however they are what they are. Edited by davidclark |
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thecdguy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I've also noticed at least two differences in the
Billboard year-end lists on Wikipedia and what was played on the American Top 40 year-end countdowns. For instance, in 1973, Kris Kristofferson's "Why Me" was #2 on the AT40 year-end, but is listed at #6 for the year on Wikipedia. In the AT40 year-end for 1977, Andy Gibb's "I Just Want To Be Your Everything" is #1, but the listing from Billboard on Wikipedia has it at #2 for the year, with Rod Stewart's "Tonight's The Night (Gonna Be Alright)" being #1. Don't know how those discrepancies occured since AT40 was based on Billboard. |
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Santi Paradoa ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 February 2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Those AT40 countdowns do not use Jan. through the end of
Dec. chart stats to tabulate their year-end countdowns. AT40 usually included the chart statistics through the end of November and then started the process of tabulating their countdown. The only way they could have gone from the first week of the year to the final week was to tabulate and air their year-end shows in January of the following year once all 52 weeks' charts were available. |
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thecdguy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I know, I've heard Casey Kasem mention that at the end of the year-end countdowns that air on iHeart Radio. What I'm saying is that I thought AT40 just aired what Billboard printed. |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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Sorry, I was hoping to learn about the BILLBOARD yearend chart, as published
in BB magazine at the end of each year. |
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jebsib ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I can't help, but I can give you more information.
It wasn't just 1966 that has this glaring discrepancy - 1963, too. For the record, the chart topped by the Mamas and Papas was physically printed by Billboard magazine at the time (12/24/66 issue), so for years, it was 'canon'. The SSgt Barry Sadler chart started to circulate around the internet about 20 years ago and I believe it is now recognized on Wikipedia as "canon". (Unless it's been changed back - I'm going by when I researched all this about a year ago). Seems that while it is by now widespread, the new charts have never officially been recognized or published by Billboard. So where did they come from? Google around enough and you will find that in the 70s, the Billboard chart department re-ran any year-end that didn't seem accurate ('63 and '66 to their eye) and circulated the revised charts INTERNALLY. The story goes that these charts leaked out over the years, leading to the current confusion. Not sure if that's the real story, but its what I've heard. |
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Vince ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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As Jesib said, the version with "California Dreamin'" at
#1 was what was originally published in Billboard (BB) in 1966. The version with "The Ballad of the Green Berets" was a revised version that BB sold as part of a Research Packet starting around 1970 through the early 80s. It was never printed in a BB issue. They did revise 1963 as well. The Research Packets has correction for 1972 and 1975, but they were not completely redone like 1963 and 1966. The revised versions turned up over the years on the internet. While I don't have any of the BB Research Packets to tell for sure, I have seen a lot of changes from what was published in BB in the Wikipedia postings. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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It appears that David's original question has been answered. As far as AT40 goes, there are some years
where the AT staff did their own calculations. For the record, Joel Whitburn never really cared for those year-end charts. It was the main reason he decided to publish the Pop Annual, which is based mainly on peak position. Joel's argument was that a higher peak position was always better. There are certainly lots of different formulas that can be applied. when compiling such lists. |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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This is great information, thanks. I never knew the listings that I saw online for
years was not what appeared in the original BB magazine (for 1963 and 1966 in particular). Yeah, as I mentioned the Year-end charts suffer greatly by not taking into account songs that peaked towards the end of the year. However, they are "a part of history" and that makes it interesting for me. Further to what Paul states about how the (great) Pop Annual came to be, I've actually computed the yearend rankings for songs based solely on chart position, taking no "bonuses" into account. Interesting seeing those listings as opposed to Pop Annual and BB Yearend. Edited by davidclark |
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RoknRobnLoxley ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 October 2017 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I can confirm that the Billboard year-end Research Packets they sold did have 'some' changes from the year-end charts as published. I bought the singles and albums packets from Billboard (late 70s?) and observed the differences, I want to say some as late as the mid 70s even, if my memory is correct (too lazy to pull them out and look at them, ha). I didn't write down the discrepancies.
In a related vein, Fred Bronson recalculated the year-end charts for his book "Billboard's Hottest Hot 100 Hits", based on putting records that were split into 2 years into just 1 year, so they weren't penalized by being split. That does seem most fair, and what Record Research did with their annuals. Groovy fab gear keen !! |
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