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    Posted: 04 April 2007 at 4:19am
My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:00), but an actual time of (2:56).
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Hmmmm. My So Far CD version runs (3:05). Is it an early fade, a small edit, and/or a speed difference that accounts for the difference? The song sounds slow on my CD, but that doesn't mean that it is.
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Am I correct that Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's "Ohio" was a 45 only release in 1970 and didn't surface on an LP until four years later on the group's So Far compilation? I too am curious as to what accounts for the time difference between the 45 and the CD appearances. I agree with Doug that "Ohio" sounds a bit slow on CD, but can anyone verify if there is indeed a speed issue?

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Don't forget the first LP that contained "Ohio" (in stereo) was Super Hits Vol. 5 (released late 1970?) on Atlantic (various artists).

Not sure if it's any longer or shorter than 'So Far' though.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sriv94 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2010 at 7:43pm
The version on Neil Young's "Decade" 2-CD set runs (2:58), and sounds a lot faster than the version on "So Far" (can't tell if it's faded earlier--might be by a second or two). That might be the 45 (albeit in stereo rather than mono).
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Doug, I get (2:57) on my BMG-issue Decade set. So that's why they sold it cheaper! :)

My 1970 DJ 45 (Atlantic 2740) times out thusly:

Mono side:   (2:56)
Stereo side: (2:59)


The fadeout is essentially at the same point (just an insignificant bit later on the stereo side) so it is a speed difference between the two sides.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2010 at 7:51am
There's a digital collection from Neil Young called Neil Young Archives 1963-1972 that contains what's called the 45rpm single of "Ohio" and runs 2:59.
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Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

There's a digital collection from Neil Young called Neil Young Archives 1963-1972 that contains what's called the 45rpm single of "Ohio" and runs 2:59.


John was kind enough to send me a dub of this digital download, which Amazon calls the "Stereo 45 RPM Single." Its speed matches the stereo side of the DJ 45 almost exactly, and it has an identical fadeout point at the end.

One thing I did notice, though: When I folded down each of the two - the 320kb .mp3 download and the vinyl 45 - it was clear that there was more limiting applied to the Archives track (fortunately, though, it isn't brickwalled.) The bottom end and the kick drum lack a lot of the punch that are present on the DJ 45. Here's a look at the A/B comparison, with the Archives track in red at the top, and the vinyl DJ 45 in blue at the bottom.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JL328 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2016 at 8:07am
I've read through this thread as well as the CSN "Woodstock" thread
that has some additional discussion of "Ohio" and am looking for a little
clarification...

Every appearance of this song on cd is in stereo. Are each of these
properly classified as the "dj stereo version" or is there some difference
(beyond a couple seconds of timing perhaps) between any of the CD
appearances, such as the version on "So Far", and the version that
appeared on the stereo side of the promo 45?

Second, is the mono version on the commercial 45 (and presumably
the mono side of the 45 promo) a fold-down of the stereo promo side
(with perhaps some minor fade or speed adjustments)? I've listened to
the 45 vs. the version on "So Far" and don't hear any noticeable
differences.

Thanks for any clarification.

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I've never compared the 45 to a fold-down of the stereo for "Ohio," but I have for "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes." The latter, to my ears, sounds like a fold-down and edit.

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