’Til Tuesday - Voices Carry

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   Here's a nice headache for Pat...  In the database, there are 37 CDs that have the song "Voices Carry" by 'Til Tuesday.  When I first heard the song on Rhino's 80's Pop Culture Box, I noticed that something sounded slightly different than what I was used to hearing on my TM Century disc.

Well, I finally pulled out both discs to do a comparison, and sure enough, there are two different MIXES of this song.  If I had to guess, I'd say the one on the Rhino disc is the 45 mix.  Here are the differences I hear on that one:

- Pitched up slightly (about 1%)

- More reverb on the drums & high hat

- Vocals mixed forward

- Vocal reverb is not as "echoey" -- on the other mix, it sounds like Aimee Mann is singing in a public restroom.

So, of course, the question is, which one is the 45 mix, and which CDs of the 37 listed contain the 45 mix?

Edited by aaronk

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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: ’Til Tuesday - Voices Carry Posted: 04 November 2005 at 1:37pm
	Here's a nice headache for Pat... In the database, there are 37 CDs that have the song "Voices Carry" by 'Til Tuesday. When I first heard the song on Rhino's 80's Pop Culture Box, I noticed that something sounded slightly different than what I was used to hearing on my TM Century disc. Well, I finally pulled out both discs to do a comparison, and sure enough, there are two different MIXES of this song. If I had to guess, I'd say the one on the Rhino disc is the 45 mix. Here are the differences I hear on that one: - Pitched up slightly (about 1%) - More reverb on the drums & high hat - Vocals mixed forward - Vocal reverb is not as "echoey" -- on the other mix, it sounds like Aimee Mann is singing in a public restroom. So, of course, the question is, which one is the 45 mix, and which CDs of the 37 listed contain the 45 mix? Edited by aaronk

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2005 at 4:46pm
	As much as I like "Voices Carry", I think I'd burn out on the song for a good while if I was faced with the prospect of having to listen to it 37 times for mix differences! :-)

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:09pm
	me too!!
	edtop40

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:45pm
	Hahaha!

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 November 2005 at 7:00am
	Hehe, yes the 45 was a different mix than the LP. But I too have heard the enough to last a lifetime. ("shut up! shut up! shut up!...") :-) But I still love the much-less-often-played "Coming Up Close" from that album. -MM

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2006 at 2:29pm
	Bringing this to the top, as Ed had a question about the mix differences.

cmmmbase Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote cmmmbase Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2006 at 3:29pm
	actually, Coming Up Close was from the follow-up album "Welcome Home", and was the follow-up single to What About Love.

chendagam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 27 August 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote chendagam Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 November 2006 at 3:04pm
	I have the promo 12" of this and there is a "single mix" that has a time listing of 3:59. Is the same as the 45 mix that runs for 4:17 in the database? The flip side has the "long version" that has a listing of 4:19.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 November 2006 at 5:06pm
	My promo 45 has a printed (3:59) time on both sides, and it is an edit of the full length single mix. My guess is that the 45 version is the "long version" on your promo 12" copy (and the "single mix" is the DJ edit). You'll have to check to see if the mix on the 12" matches the description above.

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 February 2007 at 10:28am
	After spending some time with these, here's what I found: The commercial 45 is blue label Epic 34-04795, matrix number ZSS-173189-1B, with a printed time of 4:19 and an actual run time of 4:22. It's indeed a different mix, and "Mixed by Bob Clearmountain" appears on the label and sleeve. The differences are noted above, and show up most clearly in the reverb on the snare drum and the vocals. The fade begins and ends in roughly the same places as the LP, so the lengths are about the same. It's also 1.3% faster than the LP mix, with 106.6 BPM for the single and 105.2 BPM for the LP. (The song was recorded with a click track, and the tempo remains roughly the same throughout - no tape drift.) The promo 45 is white label Epic 34-04795, matrix numbers ZSS-173221-1A and ZSS-173221-1B on A- and B-sides, respectively. Both sides are identical, with identical versions and identical labels. They have a printed run time of 3:59 and an actual run time of 4:04. "Mixed by Bob Clearmountain" appears on the labels. The promo version is an edit of the single mix, with the portion of 2:55-3:13 removed; edits appear to be on the downbeats. The promo 45 can easily be recreated from the commercial single mix, with an identical fade to the commercial 45. The promo 45 is a tiny bit slower than the commercial 45, running at 106.5 BPM. The commercial 45 ("single version", 106.6 BPM) appears on these CDs: Body Talk - Heart And Soul (Time-Life R834-20, 1998) Like Omigod (Rhino) Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 14 (Rhino, 1995) (Note that the version on the Body Talk CD is digitally exactly 2 dB quieter than that on Just Can't Get Enough, with a small amount of clipping in the first half of the song. The version on Like Omigod is mastered way too loud, and clips severely throughout.) The LP version (105.2 BPM) appears on these CDs: The "A" List Disc 28 (Swaitek, 1994) Club Epic Vol. 5 (Epic Dance, 1996) Forever '80s (Razor & Tie, 1994) Greatest Hits Of The 80's Volume 1 (Realm A3H 26222, 1995) Modern Rock - 1984-1985 (Time Life R828-03, 1999) Read The Hits/Best Of The 80's (Risky Business/Sony, 1994) Rock Of The 80's Volume 5 (Priority, 1993) Sounds Of The Eighties - 1985 (Time-Life R988-02, 1994) (Note that Club Epic is mastered too loud and clips throughout. The best-sounding of these is, in my opinion, Forever '80s, which was mastered by Steve Hoffman.) There is an early fade of the DJ 45 edit on Gold & Platinum Vol. 2 (Realm 1CD 7726, 1986), which runs slow by about 0.6% at 105.9 BPM. This is more than anyone should ever want to know about this song ("Shut up" indeed!)...