Cher - "Love And Understanding"

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   Does anyone have promo CD single info for this song?

I have the LP version from Love Hurts on the jukebox collection Spotlight On Hits Pop Vol. 1 and on the commercial 45 (Geffen GEFS7-19023; clearly labeled "LP Version"; printed 4:43, actual about 4:41).

I expected to find the LP version on one of my other jukebox collections, Hot Hits Vol. 6, but instead I found an edited version running 4:08.

It's an easy edit:

Keep 0:00.0-3:50.3 of the LP version.

Edit on the snare immediately after the end of the word "understanding".

Remove the 64 beats from 3:50.3-4:23.2.

Keep 4:23.2-4:44.4 (end) of LP version.

Your mixdown will run 4:11.5 with an edit at 3:50.3.

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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 168	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Cher - "Love And Understanding" Posted: 02 February 2008 at 6:25pm
	Does anyone have promo CD single info for this song? I have the LP version from Love Hurts on the jukebox collection Spotlight On Hits Pop Vol. 1 and on the commercial 45 (Geffen GEFS7-19023; clearly labeled "LP Version"; printed 4:43, actual about 4:41). I expected to find the LP version on one of my other jukebox collections, Hot Hits Vol. 6, but instead I found an edited version running 4:08. It's an easy edit: Keep 0:00.0-3:50.3 of the LP version. Edit on the snare immediately after the end of the word "understanding". Remove the 64 beats from 3:50.3-4:23.2. Keep 4:23.2-4:44.4 (end) of LP version. Your mixdown will run 4:11.5 with an edit at 3:50.3.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 February 2008 at 8:43pm
	Ron, my computer has been down for over a week now, and it will probably not be back from the shop for another week or so. I'm using my sister's computer now, just trying to catch up a little, until I'm back up and running. I'm sure I have the promo CD single back at home, and I'll provide you with the usual details as soon as I'm back up and running. Edited by jimct

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 February 2008 at 11:24pm
	Jim, glad to see you back...

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 March 2008 at 10:13pm
	Ron, here at long last, is my promised promo CD single info for you: Cher-"Love And Understanding" (PRO-CD-4246) 1-Edit (listed & actual 4:08) 2-LP Version (listed 4:43; actual 4:41) 3-AC Version (listed 4:38; actual 4:37)

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 6:28am
	here, here, regarding having jim back.....
	edtop40

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 168	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 6:53am
	Indeed! Welcome back!

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 9:05am
	Ditto! It's great to have Jim back with us! Like a number of Geffen's promo CD singles from the early '90s, "Love and Understanding" includes an "AC Version". Jim, I know your specialty isn't comparing and contrasting CD tracks, but do you detect any significant differences upon casual listen between the AC Version and LP Version? My experience with cases like this is, sometimes there is a mix difference... But sometimes they're the same mix but a different edit... And sometimes there's virtually no difference between the two at all!

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 9:38am
	Todd, I assume that you already own the "LP Version" of the song on CD. As soon as I can, I will shoot out to you the "AC Version", for your expert ear to personally compare and contrast with the LP Version, and then report back to us.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 8:17pm
	Jim: Yes, I do have the 45/LP version on CD, so please feel free to send me the "AC Version" for analysis at your convenience.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 March 2008 at 8:09pm
	Thanks to Jim's help, I've analyzed and evaluated the AC Version and the LP Version of "Love and Understanding". There are two main differences between them... 1) The LP Version contains electric guitar in a couple of passages, notably from 2:22-2:23 and 2:40-2:44, that are mixed way down to an almost inaudible level at the same points on the AC Version. 2) The AC Version edits out a portion of the strings heard at the end of the LP Version. This accounts for the :04 run time difference between the two versions.