"Harden My Heart" - Quarterflash

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   According to the database, the 45 length of Quarterflash's "Harden My Heart" is 3:33. It should probably also be noted that the record label on commercial 45 copies incorrectly states the run time at 3:36.

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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "Harden My Heart" - Quarterflash Posted: 25 July 2008 at 7:19pm
	According to the database, the 45 length of Quarterflash's "Harden My Heart" is 3:33. It should probably also be noted that the record label on commercial 45 copies incorrectly states the run time at 3:36.

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2008 at 11:58pm
	My commercial 45's actual running time is (3:36) -very near to 3:37- , the listed time is also "3:36". (Geffen GEF 49824)

995wlol Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote 995wlol Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 July 2010 at 6:45am
	There are a number of database entries for "Harden My Heart" that show a 3:33 running time, but do not indicate that they are the 45 version. The database notes show that the 45 ran 3:36. Is there some significant difference that makes the 3:33 version different than the 45?

KentT Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote KentT Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 July 2010 at 10:01am
	My Promo 45 is 3:33 and is noted as an Edit on the label. Flip side is a mono fold down version which also runs 3:33. There may have been a later pressing with a longer playing time. Edited by KentT
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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 July 2010 at 7:46pm
	My dj copy of Harden My Heart states and runs (3:36) and is an early fade of the LP even though the 45 record label states "edit".

995wlol Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote 995wlol Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:39pm
	Thanks for the replies. I'm still not clear as to whether the versions in the database that run from 3:33 to 3:35 are the 45/dj version, as they have no description. Based on the run-times, they would appear to be the 45/DJ version. Is this the case?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:50pm
	There are a handful of cases in the database where, for whatever the reason, the reader has to draw conclusions based on the notes (run time) next to the song title. This appears to be one of those cases. I would presume that in these cases you are getting either the 45 or LP version/length (depending on the run time) unless the CD specifically says "neither." It would actually be very helpful if Pat was able to add descriptions in those cases to avoid any guesswork. It would also make the database more consistent, since it's usually always labeled with every other 45/LP distinction. Edited by aaronk

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 July 2010 at 5:21pm
	Why does everyone refer to this song as a "45 version" as it is simply an early fade of the LP?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 July 2010 at 7:43am
	Pat, I was actually speaking in general terms, and I have modified my post for clarification.

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2013 at 7:40pm
	The oldest version I have of the LP length is on the fabulous 4-CD promo set Geffen Records A Musical History Of The Decade Vol. 1 (1990). The sound is quite nice. I suspect that this uses the same analog transfer as the '80s-era Quarterflash CD, but that disc is pretty hard to come by, and I can't confirm. There are other discs that use the same analog transfer as the Geffen disc: Sandstone's Cosmopolitan Vol. 4 (1992; clips a tiny bit) Cema's Greatest Hits Of The '80s Vol. 1 Turbo Mania (1994; differently EQ'd digital clone) There's a rather poor-sounding, high-tape-generation analog transfer on JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1980-1984 (1994). There are other discs that use the same analog transfer as Only R&R: Swaitek's 50-CD promo The A List Disc 13 (1994; fades a few seconds early and no tape hiss on the fade) Madacy's Rock On 1982 (1996) (I suspect that the above batch, including Only R&R use the same analog transfer as some 1994-or-earlier disc, since I don't think Only R&R had any new analog transfers.) I also suspect that the 1996 remaster of Quarterflash or the 1997 disc Harden My Heart Best Of is mastered really loud, and that the two following discs use the same analog transfer of the loud disc: EMI's Retro Lunchbox Gooey Love Songs (1997) Simitar's Number Ones Classic Rock (1998) Now, on to the 45, which is an early fade of the LP length. The first disc to include the 45 length was Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1982 (1992). Sound is superb, as is the case of just about all the tracks on the Billboard CDs. Plenty of other discs that use the same analog transfer as Billboard: Time-Life's 2-CD Rock Dreams (1993) Warner Special Products' 2-CD Rockin' USA (1994) Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 5 1982 (1994; differently EQ'd digital clone that has added compression - avoid) Warner Special Products' 2-CD Punk (1996; since when is Quarterflash considered punk?) There's a different analog transfer for Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod (2002). It looks like Rhino went back to a good-sounding source tape of the LP length, and redid the fade. The fade here is shaped a little different than the earlier Billboard disc. Overall, for the LP length, I recommend *Geffen Records A Musical History Of The Decade Vol. 1* (1990), or any that use the same analog transfer. For the 45 length, I recommend *Billboard Top Hits 1982* (1992).
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