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Posted: 27 May 2011 at 7:37pm

Missed the top 40, but beloved by Prince fans.

Here are instructions for recreating the 45 edit from the
5:01 LP version on Wendy And Lisa:

Remove the first 16 beats from 0:00 to 0:08.2.
Keep the 287 beats from 0:08.2 to 2:32.7.
Edit on the snare hit right before the word "people".
Remove the 32 beats from 2:32.7 to 2:48.8.
Keep the 196 beats from 2:48.8 to 4:27.5.
Edit on the snare hit that falls on the last syllable of
the word "waterfall".
Remove the 16 beats from 4:27.5 to 4:35.6.
Keep the 17 beats from 4:35.6 to 4:44.1.
The last bit that's kept should fall on a true downbeat
at 4:44.1.
Add a 16-beat sinusoidal fade from the true downbeat at
4:36.1 to 4:44.1.

Your mixdown should run 4:11.8, with edits at 2:24.5 and
4:03.2, and a 16-beat fade from 4:03.7 to 4:11.8.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 at 12:27am

I took a chance that this might have been discussed... and here it is! Thank you so much for this info; I could only find the '89 version and the album version, so it's great to get it trimmed to the single edit length.

It's interesting that the last edit in the song turns what had been a cymbal rise into a sudden cymbal crash. I thought it would sound odd, but it sounds completely normal after the edit.

Thanks again for sharing this with us! I don't know about anybody else, but this post helped ME. :)

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Posted: 12 September 2019 at 4:56pm

Just found the 45 edit on a 1987 promo CD--"Columbia Records Radio & Retail's Best Friend Volume 1" (CSK 2784)

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Posted: 12 September 2019 at 8:51pm

Good to know where it can be found! I have that CD in my collection, and I also have a note that I've never found a dedicated promo CD single issued for it in '87.

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Posted: 16 April 2023 at 9:49pm

A single version of "Waterfall" is on the "Sideshow" UK CD single and the 2006 Wounded Bird label reissue of the Wendy and Lisa album. On this version the fade runs 8 beats longer (3.9 seconds) than the edit described by Ron above. It also makes me question Ron's edit points in the album version. He said:

Edit on the snare hit that falls on the last syllable of the word "waterfall". Remove the 16 beats from 4:27.5 to 4:35.6.

If the UK edit is the same as the US, then this section to cut should be shifted backward by 4 beats (2 seconds), so you would cut from 4:25.5 to 4:33.6. The first sound in this section being cut out is the snare before "waterfall". The end result sounds almost the same as Ron's edit but there's slight differences in the mix which are evident in spectrogram comparisons.

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Posted: 17 April 2023 at 3:27pm

Great find!

You are indeed correct - my instructions from 12 years ago (!) should include cutting 4:25.5 to 4:33.6 of the LP version, not the portion I originally listed.

I also found that for the LP version of "Waterfall", the 2006 Wounded Bird reissue of the CD is a differently EQ'd digital clone of the original Wendy And Lisa CD. Of course, if you have the 2006 reissue, you also get the 45 edit as a bonus track.

And I also discovered that the rare promo CD Columbia Records Radio & Retail's Best Friend Volume 1 hastens the end of the fade by a few seconds. The Wounded Bird reissue's "Single Version" exactly matches the fade on my vinyl dub of the 45. The true 45 runs about 4:15 or 4:16.

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	Missed the top 40, but beloved by Prince fans. Here are instructions for recreating the 45 edit from the 5:01 LP version on Wendy And Lisa: Remove the first 16 beats from 0:00 to 0:08.2. Keep the 287 beats from 0:08.2 to 2:32.7. Edit on the snare hit right before the word "people". Remove the 32 beats from 2:32.7 to 2:48.8. Keep the 196 beats from 2:48.8 to 4:27.5. Edit on the snare hit that falls on the last syllable of the word "waterfall". Remove the 16 beats from 4:27.5 to 4:35.6. Keep the 17 beats from 4:35.6 to 4:44.1. The last bit that's kept should fall on a true downbeat at 4:44.1. Add a 16-beat sinusoidal fade from the true downbeat at 4:36.1 to 4:44.1. Your mixdown should run 4:11.8, with edits at 2:24.5 and 4:03.2, and a 16-beat fade from 4:03.7 to 4:11.8.

NightAire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote NightAire Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 November 2011 at 12:27am
	I took a chance that this might have been discussed... and here it is! Thank you so much for this info; I could only find the '89 version and the album version, so it's great to get it trimmed to the single edit length. It's interesting that the last edit in the song turns what had been a cymbal rise into a sudden cymbal crash. I thought it would sound odd, but it sounds completely normal after the edit. Thanks again for sharing this with us! I don't know about anybody else, but this post helped ME. :)
	Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA

995wlol Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote 995wlol Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 September 2019 at 4:56pm
	Just found the 45 edit on a 1987 promo CD--"Columbia Records Radio & Retail's Best Friend Volume 1" (CSK 2784)

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	Good to know where it can be found! I have that CD in my collection, and I also have a note that I've never found a dedicated promo CD single issued for it in '87.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

mjb50 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote mjb50 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 April 2023 at 9:49pm
	A single version of "Waterfall" is on the "Sideshow" UK CD single and the 2006 Wounded Bird label reissue of the Wendy and Lisa album. On this version the fade runs 8 beats longer (3.9 seconds) than the edit described by Ron above. It also makes me question Ron's edit points in the album version. He said: Edit on the snare hit that falls on the last syllable of the word "waterfall". Remove the 16 beats from 4:27.5 to 4:35.6. If the UK edit is the same as the US, then this section to cut should be shifted backward by 4 beats (2 seconds), so you would cut from 4:25.5 to 4:33.6. The first sound in this section being cut out is the snare before "waterfall". The end result sounds almost the same as Ron's edit but there's slight differences in the mix which are evident in spectrogram comparisons. Edited by mjb50

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 April 2023 at 3:27pm
	Great find! You are indeed correct - my instructions from 12 years ago (!) should include cutting 4:25.5 to 4:33.6 of the LP version, not the portion I originally listed. I also found that for the LP version of "Waterfall", the 2006 Wounded Bird reissue of the CD is a differently EQ'd digital clone of the original Wendy And Lisa CD. Of course, if you have the 2006 reissue, you also get the 45 edit as a bonus track. And I also discovered that the rare promo CD Columbia Records Radio & Retail's Best Friend Volume 1 hastens the end of the fade by a few seconds. The Wounded Bird reissue's "Single Version" exactly matches the fade on my vinyl dub of the 45. The true 45 runs about 4:15 or 4:16. Edited by crapfromthepast
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