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    Posted: 16 November 2011 at 6:11am
Hi all.

There's a new compilation out called Ray Charles - The Singular Genius: The Complete ABC Singles. It appears that these tracks are all in mono, although there's some discussion on the Hoffman forum about whether these are the actual dedicated mono mixes or simply stereo fold downs. Does anyone have this set yet to share their findings?
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I was hoping Pat would give us a review once he has had a chance to listen to the box set. Isn't the single hit version of "I Can't Stop Loving You" supposed to finally be on CD with this release?
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Originally posted by Santi Paradoa Santi Paradoa wrote:

I was hoping Pat would give us a
review once he has had a chance to listen to the box set.
Isn't the single hit version of "I Can't Stop Loving You"
supposed to finally be on CD with this release?


"I Can't Stop Loving You" runs 2:35 on the new set and
I'm assuming it's the correct 45 edit (I don't have a 45
to compare with). It sounds to me like there is one
edit, removing the section from :25 to 2:01, occurring at
the beginning of the line "I can't stop wanting you..."
sung by the backup singers.

But one thing that I noticed with the song on this set
that had never jumped out at me before is a prominent
upper frequency noise, which at first I thought sounded
like vinyl distortion but which I now think is brushwork.    
I went back and re-listened to the stereo version and
it's there as well, just not as noticeable. I think the
mono version on the new box set has more high-end eq,
making this effect more prominent (and for me,
distracting).

I really can't tell if it's a fold-down. I will say that
most of the tracks that I have listened to thus far have
the sonic characteristics associated with 60s radio mixes
(rather lo-fi eq and compression), making me lean toward
these being the authentic mono mixes. But I don't have
any actual mono vinyl to compare with.
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2:35 is the run time on my original ABC 45....

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How about that! I was browsing over my "Single/Album Versions Wanted on CD" list today and just happened to notice the MANY Top 40 hits by Ray Charles that I've been wanting in their original mono 45 mixes, but have never been made available on CD... That is, until now!

I'm excited to now learn about this new Singular Genius box set. The only thing is, I promised myself not even 24 hours ago that I wasn't going to buy anymore CDs until after Christmas. But I don't know if I can wait for this box set!

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For some reason they used the LP version of "Don't Change On Me", which is the only Ray Charles 45 I have. I think there's an edit somewhere around 2:20, but most obvious is the length difference (my 45 runs 3:01, the LP version is in the 3:25 range on cd).

The rest of the songs seem at first glance to be the 45 versions, although there is some talk on the Hoffman Boards that there might be a 45/LP difference in the sax solo in "Unchain My Heart".

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Originally posted by jono jono wrote:

For some reason they used the LP version of "Don't Change On Me", which is the only Ray Charles 45 I have. I think there's an edit somewhere around 2:20, but most obvious is the length difference (my 45 runs 3:01, the LP version is in the 3:25 range on cd).

The rest of the songs seem at first glance to be the 45 versions, although there is some talk on the Hoffman Boards that there might be a 45/LP difference in the sax solo in "Unchain My Heart".

Jon O.
I wonder why they didn't use the 45 version of "Don't Change On Me" since it already has appeared on CD prior to this release?
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No fricking way! Seriously? I hadn't even heard about this release. Wow! I wonder if I have time to stop at Canterbury on the way home? Actually, I wonder if Best Buy has it... lunch break!
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Regarding "Dont Change On Me":

Just noticed another LP vs. 45 difference - it sounds like a different take. Listening from 20-25 seconds into the song, Ray sings "Make all the pain stop" very differently. On the 45, it is almost syncopated: "Make all the pain...stop". On the new box set, he sings "Make all the pain stop". There are probably other differences as well.

So I was wrong about just the edit on this song.

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Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

Originally posted by Santi Paradoa Santi Paradoa wrote:

I was hoping Pat would give us a
review once he has had a chance to listen to the box set.
Isn't the single hit version of "I Can't Stop Loving You"
supposed to finally be on CD with this release?


"I Can't Stop Loving You" runs 2:35 on the new set and
I'm assuming it's the correct 45 edit (I don't have a 45
to compare with). It sounds to me like there is one
edit, removing the section from :25 to 2:01, occurring at
the beginning of the line "I can't stop wanting you..."
sung by the backup singers.

But one thing that I noticed with the song on this set
that had never jumped out at me before is a prominent
upper frequency noise, which at first I thought sounded
like vinyl distortion but which I now think is brushwork.    
I went back and re-listened to the stereo version and
it's there as well, just not as noticeable. I think the
mono version on the new box set has more high-end eq,
making this effect more prominent (and for me,
distracting).

I really can't tell if it's a fold-down. I will say that
most of the tracks that I have listened to thus far have
the sonic characteristics associated with 60s radio mixes
(rather lo-fi eq and compression), making me lean toward
these being the authentic mono mixes. But I don't have
any actual mono vinyl to compare with.


Steve Hoffman says in the thread on this CD that there was only one edit made for "I Can't Stop Loving You," and that was the mono single, so it's highly unlikely that track is a fold-down. He says if it's the edited version on this new CD, and it's mono, then it's almost certainly the true 45 mix.

Actually, after perusing the thread, there's only one song people are seriously wondering about it being a fold-down, as it has a different horn section than the stereo version.

But there is a danger, because Steve Hoffman says that Ray Charles's original "Greatest Hits" album as issued on vinyl in the '60s was remixed for stereo and then folded down for the mono version -- they didn't use the dedicated mono mixes that original hits album.

However, one poster who owns the new collection did comment that the sound quality on "Georgia on My Mind" isn't very good, and wondered if that one could be a disc dub.

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