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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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i'm currently reviewing the rascals 45's and noticed that
there is a lp/45 difference on the song "groovin'" even though the run times are similar......can anyone tell me what the differences are? |
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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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The harmonica seems to disappear in sections on the 45
version (and I think the 45 might be a little slower). |
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Doug
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Also, the harmonica was completely re-recorded for the
stereo LP version. The backing track and vocals are the same, but for whatever reason they wanted to replace the harmonica. MM |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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And also, the mono LP has the original harmonica solo as well. Stereo LP harmonica to my ear grates.
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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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Gary Mack ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Re-recorded harmonica, or was the stereo version just an
earlier take that wasn't quite as good? To most, the mono mix has the superior harmonica performance. GM |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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Does anyone have a copy of the single of this that has the song in Spanish on one side & Italian on the other? Dunno if it was ever released commercially, but one station I worked at had it on a promo. We'd play it once in a while. I'd be curious to know if that had the same production as the English single.
Somewhere I have a dub of the Spanish side, but don't currently have a working reel-to-reel deck. |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Hykker,
Is that tape 1/2 track or full track, 3 3/4 or faster. If so, I have a working machine if you wish to hear it. And a Tascam CD Recorder. PM me if you would like the tape transferred. No charge to do it. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Just about all the CD versions of this song sound pretty good. All but one use low-generation source tapes. All have great dynamic range, reasonable EQ, and no evidence of added noise reduction on the fade. Not many 1967 tracks are this fortunate to have gotten such a good treatment on CD.
Stereo The first CDs to include "Groovin'" used the stereo version. (Recall that the first batch of CD compilations, in the 1986-88 time frame, used as much stereo and as little mono as humanly possible.) The earliest CD with the stereo version is Warner Special Products' The Ultimate Rascals (1986). The original pressing of Ultimate sounds great. Barry Diament is uncredited in the booklet, but mastered the original release. The same analog transfer is used on:
There's one more analog transfer on Heartland's 2-CD Real Rock (1987) that has a narrowed soundstage and sounds pretty bad. It's likely from a high-generation source tape. Avoid. So at the end of the day, after all of the above releases, there are really only two masterings in serious contention for the stereo version of "Groovin'": the original and RE-1 reissue masterings for Ultimate. Those two are responsible for 16 of the 18 different versions I have for the stereo "Groovin'". Overall, I prefer the original release of Ultimate for this song, because the EQ is a little tamer for the high end (the treble boost is a bit excessive for the tamborine and the chirpy sounds), and because the tail of the fade extends 2 beats longer. (I found a 2013 from the Steve Hoffman board in which I argued for the RE-1 reissue. I don't remember if I put this much effort into the A/B test back then. Regardless, I've changed my mind (at least for the song "Groovin'" and I now stand firmly behind the original release. Gloat if you must. :) ) Mono Because the stereo mix is so wide for this track, I greatly prefer the mono. There is a fine analog transfer on Rhino's Summer Of Love Vol. 1 (1992). This analog transfer was then promptly forgotten, because... There is another fine analog transfer, apparently using the same source tape, on Rhino's 2-CD Rascals Anthology 1965-1972 (1992). You'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference from Summer; both sound excellent. The same analog transfer is used on:
My recommendations Unless you pick Real Rock, you'll be pleased with just about every CD release of the song. For my own personal library, here are my choices. For the mono version, go with Rhino's 2-CD Rascals Anthology 1965-1972 (1992). For the stereo version, go with Warner Special Products' The Ultimate Rascals (1986, original pressing). If you *really* want to perfect the sound, you can resynch the left and right channels by one sample and drop the volume of the right channel by 3 dB. That will center the lead vocals perfectly. |
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