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    Posted: 04 July 2013 at 7:11pm
my commercial 45 for the billy joel song 'piano man' issued
as columbia 45963 lists the run time on the label as 4:30
but actually runs 4:32...the db states the 45 run time is
4:30...pat, can you confirm your 45's running time....jim,
can you double check, as well?...thanks aaron for the edit
edit you did years ago....THANKS!!!
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Ed, my timing is exactly the same as yours. My commercial 45, confirmed as
Columbia 45963, with handwritten deadwax of "ZSS 158882-1C", has a
listed time of (4:30) and an actual time of (4:32). I'm sure the reason Pat has
never updated his db with this info is because, as you already know, Ed, Pat's
longtime db policy has been to not note listed/actual timing differences of
less than :03 seconds.
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i understand not worrying about discrepancies less than
0:03, but i figured he'd like to have it correct....no
biggie...as long as i'm not losing my mind with the wrong
info....i'm good....thanks for double checking
me.....edtop40
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Can the 45 version be re-created by editing the LP? I had
understood that there were some mix differences.
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Originally posted by Ringmaster_D Ringmaster_D wrote:

Can the 45 version be re-created by editing the LP? I had
understood that there were some mix differences.

No, it's a different mix. It's on the "Piano Man: The Very Best of Billy Joel" import CD.
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ISTR there being a ~3:15 promo edit...can that be created
from the single?
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Thanks to all of you for some helpful information in this forum.

I actually have three versions of "Piano Man" from broadcast libraries:

Short 45 version 3:15

Long 45 version 4:32

Special radio edit 4:10
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I've never heard anything about a 4:10 special radio edit. I wonder if that was just a special edit done by a radio station, or if Columbia pressed a 45 of it.
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It was from a national radio music source.
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Tpsea, welcome to the forum!

Guys like Ron (aka crapfromthepast; "Hitmakers" former radio broadcast
music source) and AaronK ("TM Century" radio broadcast music service)
are both very well acquainted with, and have large collections of, the discs
from these popular series.

The general rule that Pat that long adopted for version
recognition/inclusion in his db, has been an "official" label release only.
That would include either a stock and/or promo 45, a cassette single, an
LP and/or full-length CD, or a commercial CD single, maxi-single, or
promo CD single. (Also, on rare occasions, a label has sent out a unique
edit to radio, via reel-to-reel tape only, such as George Michael's "I Want
Your Love", by Columbia, in 1987.)

Over the years, numerous "unique radio edits" have been discovered, on
the many discs that Ron, Aaron and others own, of this type. And while it
is always interesting to note/hear about these (and it has turned out that
some do, in fact, match up with a not-previously-known, promo CD
single version release, for example), the fact that a unique version has
been found to ONLY appear on, say, a TM Century disc, has not been
enough, by itself, for it to be considered as an "officially released by the
record label" version, for our purposes here.
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