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    Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:54pm
I have two stereo mixes of this track - one with the drum track split left and
right (my source: "Elton John" - remastered 1999, w/ Bonus Tracks), the other
with it in the centre (my source: "Greatest Hits" 1987 CD issue of 1974 LP).
Anyone know which is the original (I suspect the split version) and when the
remix first appeared (I suspect on 1974 "Greatest Hits" LP)?

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To davidclark:

I don't know the answer to your question, but I pulled out my old vinyl copies of both US albums and they BOTH have Barry Morgan's drums panned thusly:

Snare to the left, hi-hat to the center, kick to the right.

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Thanks, Andy. My vinyl copy of "Greatest Hits" is long gone, so I am glad to
know you have one. So, maybe the remix came in the CD era.
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The 95/96 reissues were all remixed by Gus Dudgeon from the master tapes; though he tried to remain loyal to the original mixes there are subtle changes. This may date the change.

Wish we had the mono 45 mix available.

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David, that remix you describe with the drums in the
center dates back the to the 1983 European album "The
Superior Sound Of Elton John 1970-1975" on DJM records.
I bought it on import vinyl in 1985. The top of the cover
says "remixed from the original multi-tracks into a new
dimension of sound." Later on a buddy graciously burned
me a copy of the CD.

Some of these remixes have since leaked onto other
CD's..particularly "Daniel" which was presented in its
original form, without the re-editing that was done for
the hit release. I didn't know "Your Song" also appeared
elsewhere.
The sound quality is amazing but overly "crisp" .. they
really topped out the hi-end, I think to demonstrate how
well these tracks were engineered. I particularly enjoy
the remix of "Funeral For a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding."

RE: Your Song MONO 45 mix .. this should have been
a bonus track on the album re-issue. Thanks to Jim I only
just recently heard the mono mix for the first time. It's
quite different! The strings are mixed differently and
the most noticeable thing is added reverb on his voice.
Then starting with the words "I sat on the roof" .. they
cranked the reverb up to high so it has a very "60's"
feel to it.
That now leaves me curious about his other few mono 45's.
My next one to seek out will be "Tiny Dancer".

[Edit: thanks to Jim I now know "Tiny Dancer" had no mono
mix, not even on the promo... so nothing to report there]

MM

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I notice that the database listing for this song doesn't show any version
designations. I take it the policy is that the mono/stereo difference
between a 45 and a LP version (especially between 1968 and 1975
when it happened all the time) doesn't warrant a note in the database.
But the mono 45 version here has a ton of reverb compared to the
stereo LP version as well. Just curious where the line is on LP/45
version designations when the primary difference is mono vs stereo,
but there's no different vocals or instrumentation.
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This "Your Song" issue was just called to my attention recently and after comparing the mono 45 vs the stereo LP I do detect some noticeable reverb on the 45 so after mulling over whether this should be a LP mix or LP version for several days now I have decided to classify every entry as LP version. Like Mark, I am surprised that this song has yet to appear in the mono 45 version on compact disc yet.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bill Cahill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2016 at 4:29am
I believe that the song "Friends" has similar
differences. The mono 45 features reverb not heard on
the stereo mix. Although the stereo mix had OTHER
problems. The parent album was screwed up, it sounds
like for the movie soundtrack "Friends", Paramount (the
label) didn't notice that the song was recorded with
dolby.. so the LP mix sure sounds like the result of a
recording mastered WITHOUT the decoding. Very splashy
with odd compression. This was corrected in the CD era.
If this warrants further discussion we can start a
"Friends" string, I didn't find one.
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To Bill Cahill:

The stereo version of "Friends" with the undecoded Dolby WAS actually issued in the US in 1985 on the MCA Elton John CD 'Love Songs'. Sounding terrible, but reasonably faithful to the Paramount vinyl.

The first issue of the song "Friends" in the US with properly decoded Dolby was on the CD 'Rare Masters' released in 1992.

Andy

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Originally posted by Indy500 Indy500 wrote:

The 95/96 reissues were all remixed by
Gus Dudgeon from the master tapes; though he tried to
remain loyal to the original mixes there are subtle
changes. This may date the change.

Wish we had the mono 45 mix available.


The Gus Dudgeon remasters were not remixed. This was in
the liner notes for all of them:

"All the tapes used to create these new masters are the
original mixes. However, due to the fact that many of the
tapes are at least 25 years old, they have been "softened
up" to varying degrees. So, the sound has been passed
through the most up to date digital processing equipment,
at 20 Bit Resolution; namely The Sadie Digital System and
Prism Super Noise Shaper. The effect is purely to
"enhance" rather than "colour" the sound."
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