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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Jim asked in another thread about the difference between the 45 version and the LP version of Patches by Clarence Carter. There is a horn overdub at 2:07 on the LP version that is not found on the 45 version (at least on the dj copy that I have).
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks, Pat. You truly have an AMAZING ear for sonic detail!
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Aha! I've always wondered what the difference was too. Thanks, Pat.
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Indy500 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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So.....
The database now has a "remixed 45 version faded :11 early" entry. Are we talking a big differnce here or something along the lines of Joe Cocker's "The Letter." Edited by Indy500 |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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Stereo LP version (3:11)
If you have the song on an Atlantic, Time-Life, or Ripete collection, it's the stereo LP version. Of the compilations I have this on, I found just two different analog transfers. The first is on Atlantic's 7-CD Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 Vol. 7 1969-1974 (1985). It sounds pretty nice here, with reasonable EQ, nice dynamic range, nice hiss on the fade, and no evidence of extra noise reduction. The same analog transfer is used on:
Mono 45 version (3:11) It's a dedicated mix, not a fold-down. It's really close to a fold-down, but not quite. At 2:02, after the word "fields", the LP version has a little accent horn in the left channel, which is not in the 45 version. There's another one at 2:08, at the end of the word "family", and a third at 2:14, on the word "lord". Plus, the fade point starts in the same place as the LP version, but the fade starts much more gradually than the LP version. The mono 45 version isn't on CD. UK 45 version (2:59) (Edit: I'd previously labeled this as "Non-hit stereo remix". Mark M recently discovered that this is the UK 45 version, as per a post below.) Based on listings in the database and their copyright dates, this remix appears to have originated (Edit: on CD) on a Rhino compilation called The Muscle Shoals Sound (1993). The liner notes are pretty detailed, giving credit to the writers, producers, and all the musicians on every track, but they don't say anything about remixes. (Edit: That's because it's not a remix.) Regardless, this remix sure does sound sparkly clean. (The original mix sounded just fine to my ears, so I'm not sure why this even exists.) The instrument placement in the soundstage and the reverb match the original mix very nicely. Compared to the original mix, there's an instrument missing here and there in the mix. For example, at 0:28, over the line "little money from the crops he raised", there are background singers in the stereo LP and mono 45 versions, but no background singers in this remix. Also, the tonality of the keyboard is a little different in this remix, compared to the stereo LP and mono 45 versions. This remix is missing the little horn accents at 2:02, 2:08, and 2:14, so maybe it's an attempt to create a stereo mix that is mixed like the 45. I have no idea why it fades so early, though. The Muscle Shoals Sound isn't cheap nowadays, so I'd recommend more affordable options. The 2:59 remix shows up on a few budget Rhino and Flashback collections from 1997 and 1998, almost certainly with mastering based on The Muscle Shoals Sound. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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This is why this board is amazing. I never would've picked up that difference up in a gazillion years. |
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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The mono version should be on Kent's The Fame Singles
Volume 2 1970-73. https://www.discogs.com/Clarence-Carter-The-Fame- Singles-Volume-2-1970-73/release/5094232 |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Very nice to have this info, Ron.
It would be interesting to hear the stereo promo side of the 45, was it the LP version, or another mix? |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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AutumnAarilyn, AFAIK, it is stereo on that Kent CD.
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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As David said, it's not, it's stereo on that Kent CD. I wrote them a letter complaining about it at the time, and they wrote me back and said or implied that the mono tape could not be located. |
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