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Topic: Crests - 16 Candles
Posted: 15 September 2021 at 4:21pm

Hi folks,

I've been working on "16 Candles" and I checked the
database to be sure my file runs the correct time.

There's no actual time for the 45 listed, and I see
times on CDs ranging from 2:48 to 2:56.

The song ends cold, so the times have to reflect
different speeds, and a pitch change from 2:48 to 2:56
would be VERY noticeable.

Does anyone have an original Coed 45 that you could
provide the actual run time?

Thanks in advance,
Mark M

[Edit: I notice the label's listed time is 2:49]

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Posted: 20 September 2021 at 7:22pm

Hi all,
I was finally able to get an original Coed pressing for
this. Listed Time is (2:49), but I'm calling the actual
time at (2:50). This is because the reverb tail at the
cold ending is still audible at a hair past 2:49.5 ....
so it's a very close call but I call it for (2:50).

That would mean every CD that runs longer also runs too
slow. I might suggest all sources longer than (2:51)
have the comment "slower than the 45".

Fortunately, most CDs are in the correct range of 2:49 -
2:50

MM

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Posted: 21 September 2021 at 8:28am

Sorry, I missed your initial post, Mark. My Coed 506 copy runs 2:50.1 (RCA Indianapolis pressing).

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Posted: 21 September 2021 at 1:34pm

Yes my Coed 45 is 2:50 also. It also sounds like there is tape wow on the opening of the song on that first
piano note.

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Posted: 21 September 2021 at 2:30pm

For what it's worth, of the 11 CDs I have with this song, differences in speed account for 4 seconds of time difference.

Specifically, the fastest-playing version (1991's Love Me Tender and 1994's Only Rock And Roll 1955-1959) gets to the last note about 4 seconds faster than the slowest-playing version (1987's Real Rock).

Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1959 (1988) is right in the middle of the pack, for what it's worth.

Edit: If you start a timer at the start of the opening note (i.e. get rid of any opening silence), the last note starts at:

2:45.9 - Real Rock
2:44.1 - Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1959
2:41.8 - Love Me Tender and Only Rock And Roll 1955-1959

Hope this helps.

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Posted: 21 September 2021 at 5:57pm

Just to add to what has already been said, my copy of
Coed-506 "Sixteen Candles" also lists a time of 2:49 and
runs 2:50.

As Bill stated above, that first note on the 45 sounds a
little wonky to me, as if it's wobbly or pitched up half
a note or something (at least compared to my copy on the
Rhino Doo Wop box).

Jon O.

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	Hi folks, I've been working on "16 Candles" and I checked the database to be sure my file runs the correct time. There's no actual time for the 45 listed, and I see times on CDs ranging from 2:48 to 2:56. The song ends cold, so the times have to reflect different speeds, and a pitch change from 2:48 to 2:56 would be VERY noticeable. Does anyone have an original Coed 45 that you could provide the actual run time? Thanks in advance, Mark M [Edit: I notice the label's listed time is 2:49] Edited by MMathews

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 September 2021 at 7:22pm
	Hi all, I was finally able to get an original Coed pressing for this. Listed Time is (2:49), but I'm calling the actual time at (2:50). This is because the reverb tail at the cold ending is still audible at a hair past 2:49.5 .... so it's a very close call but I call it for (2:50). That would mean every CD that runs longer also runs too slow. I might suggest all sources longer than (2:51) have the comment "slower than the 45". Fortunately, most CDs are in the correct range of 2:49 - 2:50 MM

Yah Shure Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yah Shure Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 September 2021 at 8:28am
	Sorry, I missed your initial post, Mark. My Coed 506 copy runs 2:50.1 (RCA Indianapolis pressing).

Bill Cahill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Cahill Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 September 2021 at 1:34pm
	Yes my Coed 45 is 2:50 also. It also sounds like there is tape wow on the opening of the song on that first piano note. Edited by Bill Cahill

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 September 2021 at 2:30pm
	For what it's worth, of the 11 CDs I have with this song, differences in speed account for 4 seconds of time difference. Specifically, the fastest-playing version (1991's Love Me Tender and 1994's Only Rock And Roll 1955-1959) gets to the last note about 4 seconds faster than the slowest-playing version (1987's Real Rock). Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1959 (1988) is right in the middle of the pack, for what it's worth. Edit: If you start a timer at the start of the opening note (i.e. get rid of any opening silence), the last note starts at: 2:45.9 - Real Rock 2:44.1 - Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1959 2:41.8 - Love Me Tender and Only Rock And Roll 1955-1959 Hope this helps. Edited by crapfromthepast
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jono Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 26 September 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jono Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 September 2021 at 5:57pm
	Just to add to what has already been said, my copy of Coed-506 "Sixteen Candles" also lists a time of 2:49 and runs 2:50. As Bill stated above, that first note on the 45 sounds a little wonky to me, as if it's wobbly or pitched up half a note or something (at least compared to my copy on the Rhino Doo Wop box). Jon O.