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    Posted: 16 December 2021 at 9:04am
A few years ago there was a huge media story on how Apple's seminal iTunes was going
to disappear, so those of us with massive mp3 libraries, be damned!

As it turned out, nothing really changed and it was more of an Apple branding thing.

However, any sharp collector and music historian will see the writing on the wall and
realize - just as 45s, record players and cassingles were phased out - it is only a matter of
time before we will no longer have a la carte track purchases.

Obviously the music industry has moved onto streaming as the primary method of
consuming music. And streaming is great - fast, affordable and convenient.

However, as collectors who may have built up huge libraries of iTunes files, are any of you
worried that one day your libraries will be unplayable / obsolete? Or that streaming does
not offer you the same 'feeling of completion / ownership' that owning a library provides?

I personally love the ability to add artwork, tinker with song metadata (add peak positions,
etc), - all things that don't seem possible with streaming playlists and platforms.

And how long do you give the current software before it is no longer available in a future
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As long as you don't update it, you can still use the one
you're using now, right? I haven't updated mine in years.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PopArchivist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2021 at 10:57am
Originally posted by jebsib jebsib wrote:

are any of you
worried that one day your libraries will be unplayable / obsolete? Or that streaming does
not offer you the same 'feeling of completion / ownership' that owning a library provides?

I personally love the ability to add artwork, tinker with song metadata (add peak positions,
etc), - all things that don't seem possible with streaming playlists and platforms.

And how long do you give the current software before it is no longer available in a future
update?


I use mp3tag, no need for Itunes. Mp3tag does everything for ALAC, FLAC and mp3's that I need. If you don't want to do the work, streaming is your option.

As long as Apple has a charging cord software will be available. Once they go all cloud that might be it.

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I've never used itunes but I've got all my files saved as
.wav . Whether your files are mp3 or wav, wouldn't they
always be playable? On my windows laptop, I can play
them either with Groove music or Windows Media Player.
As long as the systems keep featuring that, wouldn't you
always be safe?

My main computer I used for music (and have also DJ'ed
with a few times) recently began running into problems.
I had no choice but to reset it back to factory standards
and copy the .wav files back from my backup drive. They
work fine. I have to download audacity again so I can
edit newer files.

Not too familiar with Apple yet, but I'm probably going
to buy one in the new year and use that instead - as
several people have told me they're more reliable. Are
the
Apples easy to figure out when it comes to playing music?

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Interesting topic. I began using iTunes about 15 years ago (12 on a Mac), and
I've built 100s (over 1,000 for sure) playlists. THAT is what I would fear losing,
as that is how I listen to my library. I will never use streaming.

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Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

I will never use streaming.


Absolutely agree.
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I have all may files saved on an external hard drive in AAC
format...if they decide that AAC format is no longer valid,
then I may be affected, otherwise, not...
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I've never used I-tunes, nor do I have any plans to. My (digitized) collection resides on a NAS with several backups on external hard drives, it's a
combination of .wav, .flac & mp3...no proprietary formats that need a special player.

Like others here, streaming doesn't particularly appeal to me. I don't own a "mobile device", and if I'm on/near a computer my own library is available.
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Originally posted by edtop40 edtop40 wrote:

I have all may files saved on an
external hard drive in AAC
format...if they decide that AAC format is no longer
valid,
then I may be affected, otherwise, not...


I believe since 2009, iTunes AAC files have been DRM-
free, meaning they should be playable on any device that
can decode AAC. Since AAC is considered a standard
format, I'm personally not worried about being unable to
play them during my lifetime (I currently use Media
Monkey as my library and have no issues).


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Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

I've built 100s (over 1,000 for sure) playlists. THAT is what I would fear losing,
as that is how I listen to my library.


I, too, have used iTunes to create HUNDREDS of playlists. And that's how I mostly listen to music (except when I'm listening to CD-Rs). Like you, I also fear losing all those playlist when iTunes is no longer available. My understanding from speaking with Apple is that newer iPhones don't have iTunes but Apple Music installed instead and that if I bought a newer iPhone, my iTunes playlists may not transfer to the Apple Music system on the new iPhone. For that reason, I'd never want to buy a new iphone. I'd likely lose all my playlists. It would take many, many months to create those playlists from scratch.

And it doesn't sound like you can buy a new iPhone with Apple Music and put iTunes in there, in place of Apple Music, so I think I'd be really screwed if I lost all my playlists.

Does anyone know if what this Apple employee told me is the truth?
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