Hall & Oates-"Adult Education"

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   My promo 45 for this has always struck me as a bit goofy. Both sides state a listed time of (3:59); one side states (Edit) immediately after the title, the other side does not - yet the listed times are identical! To me, common sense dictates that an "edited" version would be shorter than a side not saying that. But, pressing forward, the side that does NOT say (Edit) is the same version as my commercial 45, and actually runs (4:01). This other side, which was the only one we ever played at our station in '84, the side that DOES say (Edit), features a :21 second music intro before Hall's vocals begin (the other side has Hall's vocals begin right at the start), and actually runs (4:02). Aaron has already done some early analysis on this version for me, and he reports that the audio used on the :21 intro is not contained on the LP version, but that the remainder of the two "DJ 45 sides" are practically identical. This "with intro" version may have been serviced to radio simply to give the DJs a chance to "talk over" the beginning of the record (done MUCH more back in those days). However, I also see that Pat lists some "12" promotional single version" entries that appear on CD in his database - perhaps that is the source of this "intro audio." Earlier today, I was thinking RCA may have put (Edit) on one side to show it to be an edit of the 12" version that Pat lists, but then the many similarities Aaron has found between the two sides shot that thoery to heck as well. I give up...

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Hall & Oates-"Adult Education" Posted: 03 January 2007 at 2:24am
	My promo 45 for this has always struck me as a bit goofy. Both sides state a listed time of (3:59); one side states (Edit) immediately after the title, the other side does not - yet the listed times are identical! To me, common sense dictates that an "edited" version would be shorter than a side not saying that. But, pressing forward, the side that does NOT say (Edit) is the same version as my commercial 45, and actually runs (4:01). This other side, which was the only one we ever played at our station in '84, the side that DOES say (Edit), features a :21 second music intro before Hall's vocals begin (the other side has Hall's vocals begin right at the start), and actually runs (4:02). Aaron has already done some early analysis on this version for me, and he reports that the audio used on the :21 intro is not contained on the LP version, but that the remainder of the two "DJ 45 sides" are practically identical. This "with intro" version may have been serviced to radio simply to give the DJs a chance to "talk over" the beginning of the record (done MUCH more back in those days). However, I also see that Pat lists some "12" promotional single version" entries that appear on CD in his database - perhaps that is the source of this "intro audio." Earlier today, I was thinking RCA may have put (Edit) on one side to show it to be an edit of the 12" version that Pat lists, but then the many similarities Aaron has found between the two sides shot that thoery to heck as well. I give up... Edited by jimct

budaniel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 12 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote budaniel Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 January 2007 at 6:13am
	What's called the "12" promotional single version" was actually the b-side of the US 12" version, titled "special rock mix". It runs 4:34 and I have it on "The Very Best of" Hall & Oates CD(RCA 138236). This is the version that begins with Daryl's vocal (A-dult...adult). It is remixed by Bob Clearmount and Nile Rodgers. The A-side to the 12" was the Jellybean Benitez remix. The original long version on "Rock n Soul Part 1" (which is probably the source of the radio edit on the 45) has a softer, shorter snare during the verses than the "special rock mix" if you listen closely. But I agree with you, they sound almost identical.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 January 2007 at 6:41am
	funny you should bring this topic up.....as you guys may or may not know, i'm currently reviewing 1984's top 40 hits and last night i listened to the hall & oates tunes "adult education"....i have the 45 version on cd but i don't know where i got it.......is this song available on any import cds??
	edtop40

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2007 at 1:31am
	Jim has it correct. The DJ "edit" version of "Adult Education" has unique audio that is nowhere to be found on the LP, 45 or 12" single versions. Once the vocals start, the remainder of this DJ version matches up with the commercial 45. The 45 mix is very similar to the 12" promo single version that budaniel references above. In fact, at first, I thought the 45 was just an edit of this mix; however, there are some differences toward the fadeout on the 45 (if my memory serves me correctly). To answer Ed's question, the commercial 45 version has appeared on a Hall & Oates import compilation called Looking Back, which is the CD I have it on. There may be other imports as well, but that's the one I own. The LP version doesn't have as much punch to it, and in my opinion, it's far inferior to the single mix.

sriv94 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote sriv94 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:35am
	Is that (:21) open similar to the guitar part that the LP version opens with, or is it completely different? I'm almost positive I remember a version in which you stitch the LP open into the 45 version (at the point where the heavy drum hit come in right before Hall's opening "Afternoon" vocal).
	Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2007 at 12:28pm
	Yes, it is very similar to the intro on the LP version, but as it has been pointed out above, the drums and the overall mix is different on the LP. Even the opening guitar has a different effect on it when comparing the LP and DJ 45.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 July 2008 at 6:30am
	To revive this thread, the 45 version is now available on CD on Playlist: The Very Best Of Daryl Hall & John Oates.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 August 2008 at 8:44pm
	The database currently states the following comment regarding Daryl Hall & John Oates' "Adult Education": (dj copies of this 45 state a run time of (3:59) but actually run (4:01) on one side and (4:02) on the other side and they are not the same version) Pat, you might also want to somehow work into the comment the fact that the actual commercial 45 run time is 4:01, not 3:59 as stated on the record label and is featured on one side of the DJ 45, as Jim pointed out earlier in this thread. Edited by Todd Ireland