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    Posted: 04 January 2007 at 9:49pm
I have been doing some comparisons on the various versions and mixes of "I Love You" by People. Although the database does not have a notation for this song, I have found differences between at least one of the stereo CD copies and the mono 45 version.

On the CD Lost Hits Of The 60's, the reverb is different than the mono 45 version. For example, take a listen to the first time the lead singer sings "And I don't know what to say" (when the music stops). On the CD version, this vocal has no reverb at all. On the 45, there is reverb on the vocal.

Now, I cannot say for sure if this CD warrants a "neither" or "LP version" comment, because I don't have the vinyl LP to compare it with (or any other CD). Perhaps someone else could lend an ear.

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Well if you want to get technical (and it appears that everyone on this board does!) the stereo version to me has always sounded significantly different, mostly due to a poor stereo mix. The organ and reverb is way too loud and the song loses all it's power on the stereo mix. But is it enough to deserve an "LP version" notation on every stereo listing? Might just need a notation on the heading on the song. "Stereo mix sounds somewhat different than the mono mix which was the hit 45."

Do we make the same notation for Max Frost and the Troopers? That might be another one. Where do you draw the line?
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Another source for the People recordings with Larry Norman is that there are 2 volumes of these recordings available at www.larrynorman.com

Yes, Larry was the lead vocalist of People and would shortly after become one of the founding fathers of Contemporary Christian (read: Christian rock and pop music) Music.
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There is no reverb on this line on the stereo LP. Does anyone have the "I Love You" album in mono to see if this is a mono vs stereo mix situation?
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My Goldmine "History of American Records: 1950-1975" is normally VERY diligent about fully documenting both the stereo and mono versions of LP releases. For the LP in question, only a stereo release, ST-2924, is indicated.
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Originally posted by Bill Cahill Bill Cahill wrote:

Well if you want to get technical (and it appears that everyone on this board does!) the stereo version to me has always sounded significantly different, mostly due to a poor stereo mix. The organ and reverb is way too loud and the song loses all it's power on the stereo mix. But is it enough to deserve an "LP version" notation on every stereo listing? Might just need a notation on the heading on the song. "Stereo mix sounds somewhat different than the mono mix which was the hit 45."

Do we make the same notation for Max Frost and the Troopers? That might be another one. Where do you draw the line?


My opinion on this seems to be in line with Pat's current policies... If reverb is present on one mix but missing on another mix, then this difference should probably be noted. However, if we're strictly talking about mono/stereo or equalization differences, then a notation likely isn't necessary here.
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OK gang, I have updated the database to reflect the new information that has been passed along regarding the 45 nd LP version of "I Love You".
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I just checked the database and I think you summed the info up very well, Pat.
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I do not have "I Love You" on CD but I do have the original Capitol stereo LP and a mono 45 version on Capitol Starline (on the flip side of the Human Beinz' "Nobody But Me.") The stereo LP version is 4:33 and the Capitol Starline mono version is 4:32. I think the one second difference relates to the sound of the last note as I discuss below.

Regarding reverb on the "And I don't know what to say" line, the stereo LP version has that vocal line coming from the left channel with very slight reverb in the right channel. The Capitol Starline mono 45 has much greater reverb.

To me, the most significant differences in the two version are: (1) the passages before the "And I don't know what to say" line and the last silent passage before the end of the song are truly silent on the 45 version while, on the stereo LP version, reverb from the lnstruments is heard "filling up" that silence and (2) the last note of the song is dramatically different in the two versions, with the stereo LP version having a much louder and more forceful note and the mono 45 version having a very muted final note.

All interesting stuff about a Chris White/Zombies tune!

Dan
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For the record, the "DJ edit" of this song is not only an edit but a completely new mix! They mixed the vocals louder on this version. Also, the last note on the short version is at full volume, whereas it fades out significantly on both the stereo LP and mono 45 versions.
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