various 45 timing anomalies

Trying to nail down some potential discrepancies on several 45 timings. Perhaps the 45 face is wrong, or the Hot 100 Annual (2005 edition) is. [I do realize the timing indicated in the book often comes from the 45 face, however this newer addition of this book has fixed some timing errors from previous editions, however perhaps not all. Also, timings for the later tracks could be for a radio edit...] Someone with the actual 45 could verify this info for us. This could result in "45 label timing" database updates as required.

Gary (U.S.) Bonds - Dear Lady Twist. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing as 2:32. Database implies 2:25.

David Bowie - Blue Jean. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing 4:08. Database times all 3:09.

Solomon Burke - Got To Get You Off My Mind. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing 3:32. It is 2:32.

Cheap Trick - The Flame. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing 4:30.   It's somewhere between 4:40 and 4:45 according to the database.

Duprees - You Belong To Me. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing 2:39. Does the 45 end cold or fade and if so at what time?

Earth, Wind & Fire - Saturday Nite. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing 3:42. Database indicates fades at about 3:35-ish.

Five For Fighting - Superman (It's Not Easy). Hot 100 Annual indicates single time 3:35. Database times all 3:40-ish.

Enrique Iglesias - Hero. Hot 100 Annual indicates single time 4:09. Database time is 4:23.

Janet Jackson - Someone To Call My Lover. Hot 100 Annual indicates single time 4:14. Database time is 4:32.

Jan & Dean - Baby Talk. Hot 100 Annual 45 timing 2:17. Database timings all 2:22-2:30.

The Kingsmen - Money. Hot 100 Annual 45 timing 2:06. Database 2:15-2:30.

Cliff Nobles & Co. - The Horse. Hot 100 Annual 45 timing 2:25. Database 2:44.

*Righteous Brothers - Little Latin Lupe Lu. Hot 100 Annual indicates 45 timing as 2:00. All my versions are 2:13+. Not a Top40 hit so not in the database, but I ask!

Savage Garden - Crash And Burn. Hot 100 Annual indicates single time 3:45. Database shows a 3:49 radio edit and long 4:40 timings.

Nina Sky Featuring Jabba - Move Ya Body. Hot 100 Annual indicates single time 3:30. Database timing 3:50.

Vertical Horizon - Everything You Want. Hot 100 Annual indicates single time 4:01. Database has 4:05 and 4:16 timings.

David, my copies of your 4 pre-1964 commercial 45 requests are current deeply buried, but I will hopefully be able to get at them in the new few weeks. Most of your 1964 & newer inquiries are currently much easier for me to quickly access, and I should have some answers for you on those within the new few days.

Gary (U.S.) Bonds - Dear Lady Twist. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing as 2:32. Database implies 2:25.

--I timed my stock 45 of this record (LeGrand 1015, mono) out to 2:24, and the label states 2:24. The B side of the 45, however, does have a listed label time of 2:32 so perhaps the wrong side was being looked at when the time of the record was being written down.

Duprees - You Belong To Me. Hot 100 Annual states 45 timing 2:39. Does the 45 end cold or fade and if so at what time?

--I timed my stock 45 of this record (Coed 569, mono) out to 2:37. It fades, starting at 2:28. The label states 2:39.

Jan & Dean - Baby Talk. Hot 100 Annual 45 timing 2:17. Database timings all 2:22-2:30.

--I timed my promo 45 of this record (Dore 522, mono) out to 2:17. The label states 2:17. I timed my stock 45 (also Dore 522, mono with a listed label time of 2:17) out to 2:20, the promo version does have a quick and sudden fade, and fades earlier than my stock copy does. The trail-out numbers on my promo 45 are: 45-LDE-25 and a 1 with a circle around it. I also see Delta 29439 in the trail out area. The stock copy shows 45-LDE-25 and a 2 with a circle around it and in another area i see 9M, but no delta numbers on this side (however the b side delta number can be found in the trail out of the B side).

*Righteous Brothers - Little Latin Lupe Lu. Hot 100 Annual indicates 45 timing as 2:00. All my versions are 2:13+. Not a Top40 hit so not in the database, but I ask!

--I timed my stock 45 of this record (Moonglow 215, mono) out to 2:15. The label states the running time as 2:00. The label also states "Exclusively distributed through Dart Record Sales", and in the trail out is M-9121. Scratched out in the trail out is delta 45434, as well as 45-M-215-1-RE-2.

Edited by TomDiehl1

I have some tracks on Promo Only discs, so they may be radio edits:
Enrique - Hero (4:09)
Five For Fighting - Superman (3:38)
Nina Sky - Move Ya Body (3:51)


Then, I have the following stock CD singles:

Vertical Horizon - Everything You Want (RCA 65981)
1 - Radio Mix - (Listed 4:06. Runs about 4:05)

Radio was and has been split between playing this Radio Mix and the (4:04) Modern Rock Mix, which I have on a Promo Only disc and which is probably on promo singles. FYI, the Radio Mix starts with an acoustic guitar, while the Modern Rock Mix has some sort of synthy sound at the beginning and throughout the track.


Janet Jackson - Someone To Call My Lover (Virgin 38799)
1 - So So Def Remix (Listed 4:40, actual ~4:35)
2 - Single Edit (Listed 4:14, actual ~4:13)

Most pop radio played #2, though my Promo Only disc has a 4:32 version, which was probably the album mix.


Edited by eric_a

Pat:

Given that the three versions of Vertical Horizon's "Everything She Wants" on the promo CD single release all pretty much have the same run times, it would be helpful for singles collectors if you could please add to the database that commercial CD single copies feature the "radio mix" and run 4:05. Thanks!