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JMD1961 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Hello fellow members. I'm seeking your opinions on
something pertaining to a personal project I'm working on. The project itself is nothing spectacular. A typical calculating of a year's biggest hits using my own point system. What I want to ask your help on is where should I place those records that crossover from the end of one year to the beginning of the next. I've seen this done various ways, and all have had their individual strengths and weaknesses. For instance, the Whitburn way is to place the track into the year where it REACHES its peak position. In most cases, that works just fine, but there are some things that make this method questionable. The biggest example is, of course, the Monkees' "I'm A Believer", which becomes the #1 hit of 1966 using it. The issue is that the track only spent 4 weeks in that year, with 6 of its 7 week run at #1 falling into 1967. Another method is to place a record into the year that it earns the majority of its point total. Again, sounds good. But using that method, "Please Don't Go" by KC & The Sunshine Band ends up in 1979, despite having its single week at #1 falling in 1980. My own method was to use a various of the Whitburn method, which would take a look at a track's entire peak position run to determine placement. Thus, "I'm A Believer" moves into 1967 because of the 1 to 6 week split. In cases where a track splits its peak run down the middle, I'd use the rest of the Whitburn method (weeks in top 10, weeks in top 40, week on chart) and apply it to each year's separate chart run. That method has worked for me for the most part, but one thing keeps tripping me up. (Now, I get to show my nitpicky nature to its fullest. ^_^ ) The thing that I keep questioning is the first week of each year. I know it should be simple, right? If the date is in January, it goes it that year. Except for these are not set dates. These are week ENDING dates. So, tell me. Does the week ENDING January 1, 1961 really belong in 1961 when 6 of its days are in 1960? (I told you it was nitpicky.) I keep going back and forth with this. "Ignore the ENDING and just use the date." "No, place that week in the year that has the most days in it." "That's not right. You should split that week's totals in ratio with the number of days in each." I know this is all rather trivial in the grand scheme of things. And EVERY method is going to create anomalies that are going to make me question them. But I would still like to hear from all of you. Because I know you've all done your own versions of this project at one time or another. How did you handle it? Thanks in advance for your takes on this. |
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ChicagoBill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 November 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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I've always gone with the chart debut date. I think of "I'm A Believer" as a hit from 1966. I can
think about what I was doing when I first heard the song. That gave me my first impression, and to me, that's what counts. -Bill. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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IMO, if you're using a point system, then I'd say just go with the year it accumulated the most points. I do that with my own
personal projects. As for chart dates, yes, they are for "the week ending", which means a chart dated January 1st really only has one day in the new year. Also keep in mind that the data used to compile the published chart (especially in the "old" days) was likely at least a week or two behind, thus you'd often get Christmas songs peaking in January, when they really peaked in December, etc. |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I actually prefer the way Bronson's Billboards Hottest Hits book handles the ranking year by year; the song's entire chart run
is considered but sorted from full year from January to December instead of the traditional November to November ranking of Billboard year-end charts. |
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JMD1961 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Most points is a good way to go, to be sure. Especially as later I intend to include points from Cash Box, and at times they and Billboard disagree about what year a song peaked. The time lag is something I'd considered actually. Thought about moving each chart back by a couple of weeks. Finally decided to go with the published dates in the end, though. Seemed less likely to screw it up that way. However, because of the lag, I had decided to continue Joel's Christmas single year placement practice. |
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JMD1961 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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I do use chart debut when placing tracks into my music collection. But that's not my goal with my project. Thanks for the feedback regardless. |
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JMD1961 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Which is what I'm doing (Jan-Dec), but using my own point system. And I could be wrong, but I thought Bronson only used weeks in the Top 30 to better compile an overall Top 3000 or something like that. I'm not (at this point) planning to do that. Therefore, I'm using a track's entire Hot 100 run. Though, to be fair, my point system does reward weeks in the top 30 a fair bit more than lower positions, so a track really has to pile up a lot of extra weeks to make an impact overall, so maybe Bronson had the right idea. |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I think most of us would agree that a song that crosses over between 2
years shouldn't have its points divided between years. A #1 song could not make the top 100 songs of either year, that way! I also (personally) wouldn't go with the year the song debuted. If a song debuts on, say, 12/24/81, does it really feel like a hit from 1981? or 1982? Although, I have to admit, the song was clearly recorded in 1981. So that's one argument for also choosing 1981. But I really think it boils down to 2 options: *The year the song peaked *The year that had the most weeks on the chart Sometimes (many times), these 2 options will lead to the same year. But in cases when it doesn't, I'd say it's based on personal choice. And you really don't have to consistently go with one method or the other. (Personally, I WOULD pick one method or the other, but that's me). But based on what you said in your first post ... let's say you mainly went with the year the song peaked, but you found an instance, where say: the song peaked at #1 on Jan. 10th 1973 and spent 6 weeks on the chart in 1973, but spent 12 weeks on the chart in 1972, you could make an argument that it felt more like a hit in 1972. Just my 2 cents. (And I'm just making up dates; I didn't check to see if they were actual Billboard dates.) |
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CountryPD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 July 2023 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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This may not help with interpreting chart data to assign a "year"
to a particular song, but here's my two cents on this topic as a radio programmer. It became very clear early in my radio career how long it takes average listeners to become aware and familiar with most brand new songs. With a few exceptions (novelty songs or songs by an extremely "hot" current act) during the first few weeks of airplay just a small fraction of the audience is even aware that the song exists. High familiarity kicks in around the time a song is peaking on the charts and even more so in the weeks following. When programmers realized that factor it led to the creation of "recurrent" categories that continued to give those songs significant spins rather than move them to "hold" categories that "rested" recent hits before adding them to active oldies rotations. Today those recent hits form the bedrock of playlists for most current-based radio stations. My point is that if you want to assign a "year" designation to a song released late in the year look at the actual date the song peaked on the chart then add several weeks thereafter. If a song spent one week at #1 during the last week of December and several more during January, the subsequent year is when most listeners would likely place that song in their memory. Also listening patterns become disrupted during the final weeks of the year as stations play holiday music and run year-end countdowns and special programming. So airplay for the regular playlists were often disrupted. Also due to the holidays listeners may have spent less time listening as they had other things to do. Unlike music & chart geeks the average radio listener is not hyper-aware of brand new songs immediately upon release. It's not the date when the song was recorded or when it was released or when it first charted. It's the time frame when the average person became fully aware of the song and has memories corresponding with hearing it frequently. Edited by CountryPD |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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For my own year-by-year comps, I use peak date minus 10
days for the year-break point. I want to go by the actual data gathering week, and ten days is a pretty good rough estimate for most of the Hot 100. (Prior to the Hot 100, they published the actual week ending dates on the charts as well, and for those years I use the actual dates.) I think during the 1990s, they actual did reveal their current chart gathering week, and at that time it was 11 days prior to the issue date for the airplay portion and 13 days prior for the sales portion. So on my comps, "Please Don't Go" goes in 1979, "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head" goes in 1969, etc. Edited by Brian W. |
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