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davidclark 
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 Topic: DIXIE CUPS - CHAPEL OF LOVEPosted: 05 June 2006 at 12:32pm |
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database indicates alternate take for stereo appearances. Can someone please point me where I need to listen for the differences? I do realize the stereo is missing the reverb of the mono, but I can't seem to hear the differences. Is it just the vocal or the entire song? thanks.
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Brian W.
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Posted: 05 June 2006 at 12:36pm |
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There's been some dispute about that. Most BSNers swear it's a different take. Pat initially said he couldn't hear it, and initially did NOT designate it as a different take in the database. Steve Hoffman, who used it on one of his comps, has said he is not convinced it's a different take. But most oldies enthusiasists seem to feel it is. So who knows?
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Pat Downey
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Posted: 05 June 2006 at 12:42pm |
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I did carry on a discussion on the Both Sides Now chat board about a year ago and here is what I reported and still stand by to this day:
Let me express my justification for the comment "alternate take" on all stereo (yes including Varese) versions of Chapel Of Love. The 45 version (mono) simply has different instrumentation in segments when compared to the stereo versions. Listen carefully from 2:00 to 2:04 on the mono versions as the chimes are different than they are on the stereo version. There is a chime or xylophone note present on the stereo version at 2:22 and 2:26 that does not appear on the mono version at all. Vocally I hear differences also although one could argue that is due to the mix so I would rather not go into that aspect. Now comes the question of whether the stereo vinyl LP version is the same as the stereo cd versions and again I say no they are not the same - listen again to the chimes at 2:00-2:02 on the vinyl and cd versions. |
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Brian W.
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Posted: 05 June 2006 at 12:51pm |
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Oh, sorry, I guess I remembered that wrong.
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anthology123
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Posted: 06 June 2006 at 1:08pm |
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The intro is where it sounds different to me, otherwise it does sound like the
same recording the rest of the way through |
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BillCahill
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Posted: 09 June 2006 at 8:54am |
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Yeah this is an old discussion to be sure. This is a comparison of the Red Bird Stereo LP version (which was always different than the single ) and the stereo versions that have been released on CD. I used to believe there was some difference with the bells, now I'm not as sure. It may just be a difference in compression and mix. However, there is a difference with the singing, which I have sent Pat clips of in the past. On the stereo CD issues the singing of one of the vocals in the mix just sounds "flat" where it doesn't on the original stereo LP (and not just on the intro). That may be a mix difference, but I believe it's possible that one extra vocal was added to the entire song which hides the flat vocal, or that flat vocal was re-sung for the LP version. To me, it's tough to tell definitively if this is an alternate take, or simply missing vocal overdubs. Just my opinion.
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Brian W.
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Posted: 09 June 2006 at 5:24pm |
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I suppose one could always dub in the acapella intro from the 45 version onto the stereo version.
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Todd Ireland
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Posted: 20 December 2011 at 11:50pm |
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At present, the database has an "alternate take" comment next to every stereo CD appearance of the Dixie Cups' "Chapel of Love"... except for one: 60 Number One Hits Of The '60s Volume Five (Razor & Tie 81019). I tend to doubt that a true stereo mix of the 45 version surfaced on this disc, so am I correct in assuming this CD should have an "alternate take" comment as well?
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MMathews
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Posted: 21 December 2011 at 5:56pm |
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I was going to do a synch test on this a few years ago for
the BSN discussion, but never got around to it. I should have time this week, so i'll give it a try. A synch test reveals all. Up til now, my ears told me the stereo mix is a total under-dub, missing an entire set of vocals that were laid on top of the first set. I'll report as soon i have a comparison file ready (stereo alternate in one channel, mono 45 in the other.) MM |
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Brian W.
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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 2:16am |
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Well, you have good ears, Mark, so I look forward to your findings.
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