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Canned Heat-"Going Up The Country" |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Pat: The version of this song on "Uncanned-Best Of", and most of the other CDs (as I recall, the correct 45v is on my deeply-buried JCI "Rockin' 60's" CD) is the LP version of the song. The OBVIOUS tip-off on the version difference is the 3rd flute note at the beginning and end of the song. This note is sustained for a FULL second on the 45 version, but the LP version features three VERY quick opening and closing sequence flute notes. I believe the 45 and LP version could, in fact, be entirely different takes. For sure, the 45/LP version difference is a no doubter here, Mr. Downey.
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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great catch, jim......i just got around to reviewing canned
heat tonight and you are absolutely right about the third flute note.....that small difference, may have gotten past my ears before......outstanding!! Edited by edtop40 |
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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after folding the correct 45 version from stereo to mono it
clearly is a different mix than the stereo version....the flute and strings are MUCH more prominent on the actual vinyl 45 than on my fold down....but....mark was kind enough to send me his re-creation and it matches perfectly....THANKS mark!! |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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This is what I have deduced for this song: not 100% sure of accuracy, but I'm
going with it since it seems "logical" and until anyone else can offer proof... 45 and LP versions are different recordings, especially noticeable in the flute at the beginning and at the end, and the 45 features one guitar strumming (left channel in the stereo mix) while the LP features two (one in each channel). Reissued on May 1970 Liberty 45 56180 (b-side to "Future Blues"), indicated as from the LP "Canned Heat Cookbook" - so I'm assuming "Cookbook" has a stereo mix of the 45, as a 45cat post states Liberty 45 56180 plays stereo - it has matrix number LB-2855-S - and is the same version as the original 1968 45 (Liberty 56077). |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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To David:
The 45 and LP versions are definitely different mixes, and the beginning and endings are different takes. However, the bulk of the song flanges when played simultaneously, indicating to me it's predominately the same take... It's all a matter of semantics and pedantic. I just tend to think when somebody says "different recording" it means the group went back into the studio and recut the entire song from scratch, or the producer decided to release a different master take than the one originally released (oftentimes a band back then would record a few takes of the basics of a song in a studio and then chose what they think is the best performance). Andy |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I couldn't agree with you more, Andrew, when it comes to the definition of
different recording. My conclusion that the 45 and LP were a different recording I'd reached years ago and was based on the beginning and end of the song, and the mix (and instrumentation). I did a more thorough a/b comparison just now and I too believe the "main body" of the song is the same basic take. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Stereo LP version
I believe that this first appeared on CD on EMI-Manhattan's The Best Of Canned Heat (1987). The same analog transfer is used on:
Stereo 45 version On the intro of the LP version, the flute ascends to a very short high note. On the intro of the 45, it sounds like there are additional flutes, and that high note is held much longer than on the LP. You have exactly two US CDs to choose from for the stereo 45 version:
I believe that the actual commercial 45 was mono. I'm not sure if it's a fold-down of the stereo 45 version that appears on CD. Non-hit 1994 remix Ron Furmanek and Kevin Reeves remixed "Going Up The Country" (and most of the other songs) on EMI's Uncanned! The Best Of Canned Heat (1994), as part of the EMI Legends Of Rock N' Roll Series. In the 1994 remix, the hi-hat is remarkably crisp. If you're looking for one concrete difference between the mixes: In the 1994 remix, the very last note is an organ hit with essentially no flute behind it. In the original 1969 mix, the flute extends right through the organ hit. The same analog transfer as Uncanned is used on:
For the stereo LP version, I prefer Silver Eagle Records' Woodstock Rock (1989). For the stereo 45 version, I prefer Sessions' Freedom Rock (1987). For the non-hit 1994 remix, may as well go with EMI's Uncanned! The Best Of Canned Heat (1994). Yay, mail-order CDs! Please allow four to six weeks for delivery. Operators are standing by. |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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Yes Ron, the commercial 45 was mono, as were most if not all Liberty 45s in
early 1969 were. I've attempted to determine when the stereo mix of the 45 was first issued. From what I've learned, the song was reissued on 29 May 1970 Liberty 45 56180 (b-side to "Future Blues") two months after the Woodstock film and shortly after the "Woodstock" 3-LP set was issued and the label indicates As featured in the film "Woodstock" - from the LP "Canned Heat Cookbook". A 45cat post states that Liberty 45 56180 plays stereo - the 45 with matrix number LB-2855-S - and is the same version as the original late 1968 45 (Liberty 56077). |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I had a nagging feeling that I could do better, so I revisited EMI-Manhattan's The Best Of Canned Heat (1987).
If you raise the right channel by 3 dB, you center the lead vocals pretty well (at least as well as on Woodstock Rock). I'm changing my recommendation to EMI-Manhattan's The Best Of Canned Heat (1987), but you'll have to raise the right channel by 3 dB. |
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