What exactly should the database note?

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   Pat:

I have a couple of questions I'm wondering if you can help clarify.

1) Whenever you note info regarding DJ edit run times for a Top 40 song in the database, is it your policy to try to always include the commercial 45 run time(s) as well, if applicable?  For example, the database states for Martin Page's "In the House of Stone and Light" that: dj copies of this cd single run (4:09) not (3:59) as stated on the label, and (5:00), but there is no mention of a run time for commercial single copies.  Do you always want the commercial single info if it isn't documented in the database?  (By the way, I do have a commercial CD single for "In the House of Stone and Light" and it runs 4:58).

2) Are you looking to document in the database all cases where a DJ or commercial 45, cassingle, or CD single indicates something as basic as "edit", "single version", or "album version" on the label or insert?  To me, it seems somewhat redundant to note, for example, that commercial single copies of a particular song is called the "single version" or "single edit".  After all, isn't that what a commercial single is inherently supposed to contain?

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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: What exactly should the database note? Posted: 16 July 2006 at 8:13pm
	Pat: I have a couple of questions I'm wondering if you can help clarify. 1) Whenever you note info regarding DJ edit run times for a Top 40 song in the database, is it your policy to try to always include the commercial 45 run time(s) as well, if applicable? For example, the database states for Martin Page's "In the House of Stone and Light" that: dj copies of this cd single run (4:09) not (3:59) as stated on the label, and (5:00), but there is no mention of a run time for commercial single copies. Do you always want the commercial single info if it isn't documented in the database? (By the way, I do have a commercial CD single for "In the House of Stone and Light" and it runs 4:58). 2) Are you looking to document in the database all cases where a DJ or commercial 45, cassingle, or CD single indicates something as basic as "edit", "single version", or "album version" on the label or insert? To me, it seems somewhat redundant to note, for example, that commercial single copies of a particular song is called the "single version" or "single edit". After all, isn't that what a commercial single is inherently supposed to contain?

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 July 2006 at 5:29am
	Todd, to answer question #1, I do not have either the dj cd single or the commercial cassette single of "In The House Of Stone And Light". The dj information was passed along by a contributor so I entered that data but you are the first to step forward with the commercial running time which I will also enter. So in general if I do not have any entry for the commercial running time that is more than likely because I do not have the commercial copy. If contributors want to pass along that information I am happy to oblige and enter it in the database. As for question #2, there are certain chat board members that are very anal in the amount of detail they want to see regarding top 40 hits. I agree that it is redundant to enter "single edit" for the 45 version but there are situations where "single edit" is not correct even though that is what is stated on the label but for the purists, they want complete documentation and complete accuracy in labeling and timing even when there is a 1 second discrepency between printed and actual running times. I personally am not that much of a purist but others are and if they are paying for access to the database then they deserve to get their money's worth.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 July 2006 at 5:45am
	pat, well put.....this purist wants to see a table below each song with the songs cat #, length of the commercial copy, desription of the commercial copy (even if it's redundant or intuitive) and any other notes that would be helpful to anyone trying to acquire the single version on cd......
	edtop40

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 July 2006 at 6:34am
	Gotcha, Pat. I do appreciate how you've always been very open to accepting information volunteered and submitted by paid subscribers and readers. Thanks for clearing this up! Edited by Todd Ireland

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 July 2006 at 11:34am
	I agree with Ed... The same song can have different versions called Single Version, Single Edit, Single Mix, etc. And sometimes what's called Single Version is not the commercial single version.