"No Son of Mine" - Genesis

Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic

   According to the database, DJ copies of the Genesis "No Son of Mine" 45 runs 4:41 and 6:38, while commercial copies run 6:29.  However, the song runs 5:44 on both pressings of the group's Turn It On Again - The Hits CD and there are currently no accompanying comments explaining this version.  

I compared the 5:44 version from my 1999 pressing of The Hits CD (Atlantic 83244) to the 6:37 version on the We Can't Dance disc (Atlantic 82344) and have concluded that the 5:44 version contains an edited intro and fades early.  Unless this version appears on a different DJ or commercial single pressing somewhere, then the database should contain the comment: (neither the 45 or LP version) next to each CD appearance running 5:44.

Edited by Todd Ireland

Author	Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic
Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "No Son of Mine" - Genesis Posted: 25 August 2007 at 8:52pm
	According to the database, DJ copies of the Genesis "No Son of Mine" 45 runs 4:41 and 6:38, while commercial copies run 6:29. However, the song runs 5:44 on both pressings of the group's Turn It On Again - The Hits CD and there are currently no accompanying comments explaining this version. I compared the 5:44 version from my 1999 pressing of The Hits CD (Atlantic 83244) to the 6:37 version on the We Can't Dance disc (Atlantic 82344) and have concluded that the 5:44 version contains an edited intro and fades early. Unless this version appears on a different DJ or commercial single pressing somewhere, then the database should contain the comment: (neither the 45 or LP version) next to each CD appearance running 5:44. Edited by Todd Ireland

eric_a Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote eric_a Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 August 2007 at 6:15am
	On a related note, just last week, I tried to chop my album version to match the radio edit, based on what I vaguely remember hearing on the air in '92. Does anyone have pointers or an mp3 I could reference?

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 August 2007 at 7:31am
	I'll shoot the promo CD single short version out to you sometime today, my friend.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 August 2007 at 6:21pm
	Thinking about this song brought back great memories of the "Atlantic's Year In Review" CD series that were sent to radio stations.

eric_a Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote eric_a Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 August 2007 at 4:15pm
	I gave this a good listen today, and it seems you can't properly cut the radio edit from the LP version. In the radio edit, the beginning of the first verse ("Well, the...") comes in over the fourth bar of the intro. In the LP version, this line comes at the end of the eighth bar, which is a different chord. So, you can fudge it by creating a digital acapella of those first two words, but that doesn't work perfectly. Aside from this, if you want to try yourself, the assembly is as follows: 1 - Start at the downbeat at (0:09) of the LP version 2 - Cut/fade/filter as mentioned above: cut from (0:18) to (0:27), overlapping the vocals over the last beat. 3 - Cut from (2:51) to (3:00) on the downbeat. 4 - Cut from (4:27) to (5:04) on the downbeat. 5 - End at (5:45). Your final project will have cuts at (0:09-0:10), (2:51) and (4:00). Fade starts around (4:30) and ends at (4:41). Edited by eric_a

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 163	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 September 2008 at 5:44pm
	An old thread, but since I played around with the tracks before I searched the forum (doh!), I thought I'd just share what I had and confirm everything stated above. I have the DJ edit on Atlantic's Year In Review: 1991 (Atlantic PRCD 4338-2, printed 4:41, actual 4:41) and the LP version on We Can't Dance (actual 6:39). Here are instructions (that mirror the above post) that will get you really, really close: Remove the first 16 beats from 0:00.0-0:09.4. Keep the 4 beats from 0:09.4-0:11.7. Remove the 16 beats from 0:11.7-0:20.9 (not really sure about this - the wrong keyboard chord is playing under Phil's words "Well the..." - which is why you can't exactly recreate the DJ edit) Keep 0:20.9-3:09.4. Remove the 16 beats from 3:09.4-3:18.6. Keep 3:18.6-4:27.8. Remove the 64 beats from 4:27.8-5:04.7. Keep 5:04.7-5:46. Put a fade from 5:34-5:46. Your mixdown will run 4:41 with edits at 0:02, 0:09, 2:51, 4:00 and a fade from 4:29 to 4:41. Nicely done, Eric. I should probably search the forum posts before I hack up the tracks...

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 November 2008 at 12:10pm
	both my commercial 45 and commercial cassingle were issued as atlantic 87571...neither state a version....the cassingle doesn't state a run time but the 45 states a run time of 6:36 on the label.....the cassingle version is identical to the cd version listed below, and runs 6:38, while the 45 version runs 0:02 shorter and just fades out the last 0:02 of the cd version (S) (6:37) Atlantic 82344 We Can't Dance Edited by edtop40
	edtop40