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80smusicfreak ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: October 14 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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I know you've been publishing the "Top 40 Music on
Compact Disc" book for a dozen years now, Pat, but the current 10th edition is the first one I've ever owned, so I hope these questions about some of the wording in the book aren't redundant... 01) In the "Introduction", on page vii, you state that the first section "is an alphabetical listing of all artists who scored a consensus Top 40 hit single on national trade publications' charts and is not a Billboard magazine Top 40 hit single listing." Knowing that you'd previously researched and published books on the "Cash Box" charts, I at first interpreted the above as meaning that the criteria for including songs in your CD book was that they had to have made the Top 40 in both "Billboard" and "Cash Box" - hence, if a song scraped into the Top 40 in one magazine but not the other, it wouldn't be included. But having had a couple weeks to scan it now, I see that apparently isn't the case... Examples: Page 700, where Marshall Hain's 1979 hit, "Dancing in the City", is included (hit #39 in "Cash Box", but only #43 in "Billboard"); as well as page 711, where Mass Production's 1979 hit, "Firecracker", is listed (reached #33 in "Cash Box", but stopped at #43 in "Billboard"). And at times, it seems to work the other way as well, such as on page 716, w/ Mac McAnally, and his 1977 hit, "It's a Crazy World" (only #58 in "Cash Box", but did climb all the way to #37 in "Billboard") - and even his one other hit, 1983's "Minimum Love", seems questionable (#38 in "Cash Box", but only #41 in "Billboard"). And those are all just in the M's. I could also cite plenty of additional songs that made the Top 40 in either "Cash Box" or "Billboard", and not the other, but AREN'T included in your book (how about Charlie's 1983 hit, "It's Inevitable", which made only #43 in "Cash Box", but did hit #38 in "Billboard" - yet the song has no entry)... Please don't get me wrong, as I'm actually quite glad to see all of those "borderline" Top 40 hits noted above included in your book! Just wondering if you could better explain to us how/where you draw the line w/ the song entries that make it into in your book (and perhaps include that more detailed info in the 11th edition)??? Thanks! 02) When distinguising between album and single versions of the same song, for some entries, you use the wording "(LP version)" and "(45 version)", while for other songs, you state "(LP length)" and "(45 length)". I assume there is no difference, and that the terms "(LP version)" and "(LP length)" - or "(45 version)" and "(45 length)" - are completely interchangeable??? Or am I missing something??? 03) When citing more than one running time for either dj or commercial copies of singles, do you always mean that two (or more) different physical singles for the song exist, that more than one version of the song appears on the same physical single (e.g., one on the A-side; the other on the B-side), or a mix of both??? It appears to be a mix of both, and since we've already discussed Rick Springfield in another thread, I'll again use him as an example: On page 1036, you note that dj copies of his 1981 hit, "I've Done Everything for You", ran (2:42) and (3:16). Definitely true, and we both know that these were two DIFFERENT physical singles. But then we jump over to page 1037, where you note that dj copies of his 1985 hit, "State of the Heart", ran (3:48) and (3:58) - again, true, but in this case, we're talking about only ONE physical single, as the A-side of the dj copies had the (3:58) commercial version, while the B-side contained the exclusive (3:48) edit. So for collector purposes, while I certainly find this info about different versions/mixes valuable, I also feel it's a bit confusing. Would it be possible to make this info a bit more distinguishable in future editions??? Oh, and one additional error that I'd like to point out in the 10th edition: On pgs. 668 & 1285, Denise Lopez's hit, "Sayin' Sorry (Don't Make it Right)", is shown as a 1985 hit, instead of the correct year, 1988. This appears to be an error that you inadvertently carried over from your other book that I have, "Cash Box Pop Singles Charts, 1950-1993"............................... |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: October 18 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2237 |
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80sMusicFreak writes:
<you use the wording "(LP version)" and "(45 version)", while for other songs, you state "(LP length)" and "(45 length)". I assume there is no difference, and that the terms "(LP version)" and "(LP length)" - or "(45 version)" and "(45 length)" - are completely interchangeable??? Or am I missing something??? > I don't know if your question is directed only to Pat, but I can answer this. When "length" is used, the only difference between "LP length" and "45 length" is that one fades earlier than the other, and that's it. (And btw, it doesn't always mean the 45 fades first. There are cases where the single has the longer fade, like Daryl Hall's "Dreamtime" and also Jessica Simpson's "I Think I'm In Love With You".) When "version" is used, it means the difference between the 45 and LP is more involved than that -- like a different mix or in other cases, it's the same mix but an edit has been performed for the 45. (And sometimes I believe the single is an entirely different recording.) Re: dj 45s with two different timings listed, I was originally not clear on this either, and Pat explained to me by email that sometimes it can mean there are two physical 45s involved, and other times it's one 45 with different lengths on each side. |
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: October 01 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1743 |
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EdisonLite answered 2 of the 3 questions asked by 80smusicfreak so I guess I should answer the remaining question. My legal counsel years ago cautioned me about using copyrighted music chart information without permission, especially openly advertising that say my top 40 database is comprised of any song that hit either the Billboard or Cash Box top 40 charts. Either publication or both could haul me into court for such a statement. Billboard flatly denied my request to use their top 40 database and Cash Box did allow me to use their database for the 1st edition of Top 40 Music On Compact Disc only. So to avoid any litigation, I now use a composite of a number of different publications which I don't care to divulge based on legal counsel.
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