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    Posted: 23 October 2007 at 9:51am
CD entries in the database for Dawn featuring Tony Orlando's "Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree" range anywhere from 3:17 to 3:25, yet there are currently no associated comments that help explain the run time discrepencies. Does anyone have the vinyl 45 or the parent LP who can pass along the song's run time info? I'm curious to know if there is a length, edit, or speed difference between the 45 and LP.
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My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:19) and an actual time of (3:20).
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I just listened to my "Flashback" Arista reissue copy, which is mono and runs (3:17). This version runs considerably slower (about 1.5%) than the CD copy on AM Gold 1973. Aside from the fade, it also fades about 7 seconds sooner than my CD copy. Perhaps this info is useful to someone.
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Does anyone know of a CD source for this song in mono? The US CDs listed in the database are all stereo.

The stereo mix bugs me because the opening keyboard line (which is one the record's key hooks IMO) is much lower in the mix than the mono 45. For years into the CD era, this song just never sounded right in terms of the way I remembered it from the radio. I finally picked up an original commercial 45 a while back and now understand why the song didn't sound quite right on CD.

This may not be enough to qualify for a mix difference designation in the database, but if anyone knows of any import CDs that have the mono version, that would be helpful!
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An interesting note about this song: Whenever I've heard this song on CD, I've noticed tape bleed in the line:

A ... hundred yellow ribbons 'round the ole oak tree

In that hole, you can hear "hundred" right before he sings "hundred", which I've always thought was tape bleed, and the word bleeding onto the previous spot of the tape where the big silence is ... and that's why we can hear the bleed in only that one spot of the recording.

So I thought this tape bleed occured over 20+ years and that it's not there if you'd listen to the original 45/LP. But recently, I heard the song on "American Top 40" with the tape bleed, and then I thought, Maybe it was that way even on the original pressings. But now, as someone pointed out on the board, there's a woman who substitutes new CD versions for the originals on the remastered versions of the old shows on XM/Sirius. Which leaves me totally confused. Does anyone know if that bleed on "hundred" is there on the original 45/LP pressings?
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Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

Does anyone know of a CD source for this song in mono? The US CDs listed in the database are all stereo.

The stereo mix bugs me because the opening keyboard line (which is one the record's key hooks IMO) is much lower in the mix than the mono 45. For years into the CD era, this song just never sounded right in terms of the way I remembered it from the radio. I finally picked up an original commercial 45 a while back and now understand why the song didn't sound quite right on CD.

This may not be enough to qualify for a mix difference designation in the database, but if anyone knows of any import CDs that have the mono version, that would be helpful!

I've been looking for this in mono forever as well. So far, I've never found it.
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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

An interesting note about this song: Whenever I've heard this song on CD, I've noticed tape bleed in the line:

A ... hundred yellow ribbons 'round the ole oak tree

In that hole, you can hear "hundred" right before he sings "hundred", which I've always thought was tape bleed, and the word bleeding onto the previous spot of the tape where the big silence is ... and that's why we can hear the bleed in only that one spot of the recording.

So I thought this tape bleed occured over 20+ years and that it's not there if you'd listen to the original 45/LP. But recently, I heard the song on "American Top 40" with the tape bleed, and then I thought, Maybe it was that way even on the original pressings. But now, as someone pointed out on the board, there's a woman who substitutes new CD versions for the originals on the remastered versions of the old shows on XM/Sirius. Which leaves me totally confused. Does anyone know if that bleed on "hundred" is there on the original 45/LP pressings?


I don't hear tape bleed-through on my 45.
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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

But now, as someone pointed out on the board, there's a woman who substitutes new CD versions for the originals on the remastered versions of the old shows on XM/Sirius.


Just a quick correction: Shannon Lynn is in fact a man, not a woman. :)
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When Shannon replaces the tracks with versions from CDs, does he usually do it for every song in the countdown or just some? Also, are there certain years where they replace the song sources on the shows, or are all years up for grabs?
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Originally posted by Roscoe Roscoe wrote:

The stereo mix bugs me because the opening keyboard line (which is one the record's key hooks IMO) is much lower in the mix than the mono 45. For years into the CD era, this song just never sounded right in terms of the way I remembered it from the radio.

Roscoe, that would depend on whether your local top-40 station played the mono or the stereo side of the Bell DJ 45 back in 1973. The stereo DJ 45 side also had the less-upfront keyboards.

Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

In that hole, you can hear "hundred" right before he sings "hundred", which I've always thought was tape bleed, and the word bleeding onto the previous spot of the tape where the big silence is ... and that's why we can hear the bleed in only that one spot of the recording.


Gordon, the stereo side of the DJ 45 does have a wee bit of a bleed in the right channel at that spot, although it's on the word "a" (rather than "hundred") that slightly precedes the louder "a" at that point. It's much tighter than your typical tape bleed, though. It's almost as though they put the reverb on the "a" before it, rather than after. :) I don't hear any bleed on the word "hundred" at all, just "aA HUNDRED...", but only in the right channel.

Just for the record, the stereo side of the December, 1977 DJ reissue 45 on Arista 0301 - in spite of the 2520-S matrix number on the label and stamped in the deadwax - is the same common mono mix found on its mono-labeled flip side (matrix # 2520 on both label and wax.) This was a current-line Arista reissue, as opposed to the earlier Bell oldies line reissue 45 on Flashback 81.

Edited by Yah Shure
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