Tyrone Davis-"Can I Change My Mind"

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   My commercial 45, which is mono, and confirmed as Dakar 602, has a listed time of (2:48) and an actual time of (2:49). I only post this info because current database CDs that contain this song feature runtimes ranging from (2:44) to (2:54). Furthermore, long before I joined this Board, as a personal favorite song of mine, I asked and provided an old radio Chief Engineer friend of mine both a 45 dub, and my longest CD version, and asked him to digitally compare the two of them, because the endings of my CD versions didn't exactly match up with my 1969, AM radio memories. Sure enough, he was able to detect a slight edit, at the very end of my 45, and said he was barely able to re-create the 45, by using all of the last few seconds of my (2:52-2:54) length CD versions. So, if you have the original 45 & CD handy, Pat, or anyone else "digitally handy" does, I'm sure you will also discover the same thing, and certainly be able to explain it a heck of a lot better than I just did!   

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Tyrone Davis-"Can I Change My Mind" Posted: 07 June 2008 at 12:30am
	My commercial 45, which is mono, and confirmed as Dakar 602, has a listed time of (2:48) and an actual time of (2:49). I only post this info because current database CDs that contain this song feature runtimes ranging from (2:44) to (2:54). Furthermore, long before I joined this Board, as a personal favorite song of mine, I asked and provided an old radio Chief Engineer friend of mine both a 45 dub, and my longest CD version, and asked him to digitally compare the two of them, because the endings of my CD versions didn't exactly match up with my 1969, AM radio memories. Sure enough, he was able to detect a slight edit, at the very end of my 45, and said he was barely able to re-create the 45, by using all of the last few seconds of my (2:52-2:54) length CD versions. So, if you have the original 45 & CD handy, Pat, or anyone else "digitally handy" does, I'm sure you will also discover the same thing, and certainly be able to explain it a heck of a lot better than I just did!

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 March 2013 at 8:50pm
	jim....i agree with you.....i just listened to my vinyl 45 issued as dakar 602 with a listed run time of 2:48 an actual time of 2:49....versus the version on 'whole lotta soul 68-69' and there is some sort of edit near the edit that doesn't match up with the 45....so pat....i believe all the cd's that say '45 version' aren't really the '45 version' after all....they should be listed as neither.....whenever time permits you may want to revisit these cds and see if any of them have the TRUE vinyl 45 version.....
	edtop40

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2013 at 8:44am
	Ed, thank you for not ignoring my original post, as I was always 100% confident in my 2008 findings.

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 27	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2013 at 4:36pm
	I have this song on an early 70s Dunhill compilation "Big Hits Now". It sounds like a completely different recording. Not sure how this ended up here unless he later signed to ABC/Dunhill and re-recorded the song, but I wonder if this recording might have made it to CD as one of those "neither" versions.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2013 at 5:26pm
	Steve, my only thought about your post is that ABC did issue one Tyrone Davis 45, as #11030, "Bet You Win/What If A Man", in Jan. 1968. Obviously signed to a "singles" deal, it was not a hit - and their brief partnership was over. But several different articles I've read over the years indicate that, for most "singles only" artist signings, labels would normally record a total of four songs, and then select the "strongest" two for the 45. Later in 1968, Davis signed with Dakar (then distributed through Atlantic), which released "A Woman Needs To Be Loved/Can I Change My Mind", as his initial Dakar single, on both #602, and also the much-rarer #1452, in late November of 1968. (My original promo 45 lists "Can I Change My Mind" as the B-side.) Is it reasonable to assume that "Can I Change My Mind" may have been one of the two "rejected tracks" for his 1968 ABC 45? And, since it was not intended to be the "A" side of his debut Dakar 45, Dakar likely chose to use this track, that Davis probably had "kickin' around in his repertoire for a while", as a throwaway flip side. Is that reasonable? That's my best guess, Steve. (And I also have no trouble believing that Atlantic, like they did with Aretha, would be able to put together a far better version of an R&B track than ABC would have! I just can't think of any other possible source for your V/A LP version, as he only recorded for Dakar and Columbia, from 1968 until 1981, except for that ABC "one-off" 45.