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    Posted: 17 August 2005 at 9:23pm
Ok, I'm going to be delving pretty deeply here, so pull up a chair and get comfy...

In a recent discussion I had with Edtop40, he claimed his commercial 45 copy of First Class's "Beach Baby" is different than the version appearing on the Super Hits of the 70's Volume 13 CD (Rhino 70760). I had him e-mail me an mp3 copy of his 45 which is in mono and has an actual run time of 4:54, though Ed tells me the record label states a time of 4:59.

I compared his "Beach Baby" 45 to the one the Super Hits CD which interestingly does run 4:59. It turns out the 45 begins with a synthesizer fade-in, while on the Super Hits disc this fade-in is chopped off and the song instead begins at the point where the kick drums start. Also, the 45 fades out approximately :06 or :07 sooner than the Super Hits CD.

I'm wondering if there are two different commercial 45 pressings of "Beach Baby"? I looked through some photos of the 45 on eBay and have seen the 45 sport two different labels. One label is printed with a black font, while the other has a metallic silver font (both labels have light blue color backgrounds). Ed says his copy contains the metalic silver print. He also reports the matrix number on the runout groove reads: xdr55377 5.6.74 followed by the numbers: 90083, which are etched backward. Meanwhile, the xdr55377 number is also printed on the label.

So, Pat, if I may ask you three questions:

1) Do your DJ and commercial copies of "Beach Baby" really run 4:59, as you state in the 10th edition, or is this just the printed time on the record labels?

2) Does the version of "Beach Baby" on your commercial 45 match my aforementioned description of Ed's 45 copy?

3) Are your DJ and commercial copies in mono or stereo?

Meanwhile, I notice there are several CDs in the 10th edition where "Beach Baby" runs 4:53. Can anyone confirm if any or all of these CDs match the version on Ed's 45, albeit in stereo?
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Yes there are two different 45's of this song floating around. Here is the comment that I have added to the data base:

dj copies of this 45 ran (3:07) and (4:54) even though the label states (4:59); commercial copies were all labeled (4:59) and some ran (4:54) but some ran (3:07)

To answer your specific questions todd, I have the dj copy that states (3:08) and it is in stereo, running (3:07). My commercial copy is mono and states a running time of (4:59) but the actual running time is (4:54). Several readers have written me to say that they have a commercial copy that runs (3:07) even though the label states (4:59) so I am taking their word for this being the case. I do not know if the commercial copy that really runs (3:07) is mono or stereo since as I stated above, I do not have a copy to verify.

Note will be made in the next edition also that none of the 4:59 versions on cd fade in the synthesizer correctly.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Ireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 August 2005 at 8:02pm
Thanks for shedding some light on this, Pat. Now, if I'm understanding correctly, does this mean that none of the "Beach Baby" CD appearances running 4:48-5:03 in the 10th edition have the correct synthesizer fade-in, or is this only the case with the versions that specifically run 4:59?

Also, am I accurate in assuming the version running 3:08 on the Dick Bartley Presents: Collector's Essentials: The 70's CD (Varese Sarabande 5706) is both the DJ edit and the short 45 version?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moderator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2005 at 6:39am
The only version of Beach Baby on cd that has the correct fadein is the "Dick Bartley Presents Collectors' Essentials" cd which has replicated the short version (also the dj edit) correctly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davidclark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 October 2011 at 3:27am
bringing this thread up front, we discussed the beginning of this song
extensively, however the 4:59 versions, running approx. 5 seconds later than
the 45, should it also be noted as to why? Am I correct in assuming that
these CD versions fade later than the 45, which likely ends before the "radio
sounds" at 4:54? I am hoping this is the case and not a speed variation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2011 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by Moderator Moderator wrote:


dj copies of this 45 ran (3:07) and (4:54) even though the label states (4:59); commercial copies were all labeled (4:59) and some ran (4:54) but some ran (3:07)


I've never seen a 4:59 promo. Mine's 3:07 (listed 3:08) on both the mono & stereo sides. This is the same as every one I've come across anywhere I've worked too.
Was the 4:59 version perhaps an earlier release?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Ireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2012 at 11:55pm
Not sure what's happened but the database now states the following general comment for First Class' "Beach Baby":

(dj copies of this 45 ran (3:08) and (4:59); commercial copies were all labeled (4:59) but some ran (3:08))

It was established previously here that commercial copies were all labeled 4:59, but some ran 4:54 while others ran 3:07. Meanwhile, Jim claims his mono commercial 45 copy runs 4:52, not 4:59 as stated on the record label.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pat Downey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2012 at 7:42am
Has anyone seen a dj copy of this record that states a running time of (4:59)?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edtop40 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2013 at 2:31pm
does anyone know what the edits or fade out is for the 3:08
dj version of the song?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2013 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by Pat Downey Pat Downey wrote:

Has anyone seen a dj copy of this record that
states a running time of (4:59)?

No, Pat. Both my copy and my own personal experiences match up with
Steve's (Hykker's) exactly.
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