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    Posted: 14 October 2005 at 1:41pm
Pat's database mentions that for the Kinks' "Don't Forget To Dance" that some pressings of Come Dancing With The Kinks used the single version while others use the LP version. Since the single runs 4:36 and the LP version runs 4:38, unless there's a subtle 2 second edit the difference most likely isn't in the editing. Anyone know the difference?

Also, what's the difference between the 45 and LP versions of Heart's "Dreamboat Annie?"

I'll probably have more questions as I continue to rummage through. Hope nobody minds. :)

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the kinks song "don't forget to dance" issued on 45 in 1983 on arista 9075 is exactly the same version from "come dancing with the kinks:the best of the kinks 1977-1986" and runs 4:38.......the 45's label states the run time as 4:15 which in wrong.....

as far as "dreamboat annie" is concerned it didn't make the billboard top 40 and i have no info on it.....
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Hi!

Thanks to some help some help from EdisonLite, I can take the "Dreamboat Annie" question. The 45 version uses the (2:04) uptempo album version, but the 45 runs (2:58). The reason for this is they took the acoustic guitar intro from "Crazy On You" and made it the intro for Dreamboat Annie, except on the 45, it has several notes on the very beginning that do not appear on the album. The end/fade also runs about 10 seconds longer than the LP version.
As for the reason they did this highly unusual thing, who knows? Maybe the label was called 'Mushroom' for a reason. . .
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My dj 45 states a running time of (4:15) and really runs (4:37) but when I compare it to the version on "State Of Confusion" which is the original vinyl LP on which this song appeared, I find that the instrumental introduction on the 45 is :06 shorter than on the cd "State Of Confusion" hence the differentiation of a 45 and LP version. Now to add to the "confusion", "Don't Forget To Dance" has appeared on the "Come Dancing With The Kinks" cd in both the 45 version and the LP version depending on which pressing of this cd you own.
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Originally posted by Moderator Moderator wrote:

My dj 45 states a running time of (4:15) and really runs (4:37) but when I compare it to the version on "State Of Confusion" which is the original vinyl LP on which this song appeared, I find that the instrumental introduction on the 45 is :06 shorter than on the cd "State Of Confusion" hence the differentiation of a 45 and LP version. Now to add to the "confusion", "Don't Forget To Dance" has appeared on the "Come Dancing With The Kinks" cd in both the 45 version and the LP version depending on which pressing of this cd you own.


Granted, I downloaded "Don't Forget To Dance" off of iTunes instead of getting the source album State of Confusion CD, and it runs 4:39. Since the 45 and LP are of similar lengths (4:37 vs 4:39), I would think there must be some sort of compensation elsewhere in the song to make up for the six second difference in the intro. Or am I missing something?

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The 45 runs faster than the LP version.

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Originally posted by Moderator Moderator wrote:

The 45 runs faster than the LP version.

Seems like it should be the other way around. If six seconds of the intro of the 45 was edited and the 45 runs faster, then the 45 time should be around 4:31. Since the 45 and LP are two seconds different in length, I wonder if it might be the LP version that actually runs faster.

As an aside, which part of the intro is edited (I would guess it's one of the opening guitar solos before the drums and bass kick in--maybe the second one)?

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The 45 runs faster than the LP and there are several additional edits starting at 4:08 into the LP version.
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Weird. Making an edit at the top and taking out the instrumental portion at 4:08 of the LP version gives me a running time anywhere from 4:16-4:21 depending on how much I speed up or slow down the pitch (and that 4:16 coincides with the length quoted on the 45, even though it doesn't run that short).

Unless I'm doing something wrong. Happened before.

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Bumping this up for John. Ah, those were the days. . .
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